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Can someone tell me the difference between Warne and Talley Rings?
05 January 2010, 12:09
DUKE NUKEMCan someone tell me the difference between Warne and Talley Rings?
Can someone tell me the difference between Warne QD Rings and Talley QD Rings?
TIA,
Duke
05 January 2010, 15:41
fourboreI have a spare set of Talley 30mm rings that came on a used CZ550. NOTE bigger 30mm not std 1 inch tube. if you decide to go with the top name, I will be selling these for $100. Retail is around 150 or better. I let others talk about the quality of the two, since I have an personal interest in unloading these.
05 January 2010, 23:51
GarByYou pay for the Talleys, but they are the best IMO. I have QAW's on my 2 Heym bolts, and those are unreal....return to perfect zero every time....but they are REAL proud of those.
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06 January 2010, 02:27
Big Bore Boar HunterI like the way talleys attach to their double shoulder base a little better than the Warne bases. Both are good though.
John
06 January 2010, 05:47
chuck375I'm using the Talley QR rings on my CZ 550 in 500 Jeffery. They are awesome, don't get loose, come off easily and always return to zero within 1/4" at 100 yards.
Chuck
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11 September 2010, 09:16
DUKE NUKEMCool! I just got 6 sets of the Talleys.
11 September 2010, 09:28
Blake 70Warnes are cast. Talleys are machined from solid steel. There is a strength difference.
Blake
11 September 2010, 09:57
bigdoggy700Both rings are top notch. I have used both brands for years and never had a problem with either.
12 September 2010, 01:28
JCS271Have had great success with Warnes on both 416 and 450NE. Rock solid and excellent return to zero.
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12 September 2010, 12:27
A7DaveI have Warnes QDRs and they are big mojambo heavy pieces of metal. I think the Talleys are lighter and equally strong. Nothing wrong with the Warnes, but I'm replacing them with Talleys due to the weight issue. I think the Warnes are unnecessarily heavy (and probably the reason the Talleys are more expensive).
Dave
12 September 2010, 15:31
Warriorquote:
Can someone tell me the difference between Warne QD Rings and Talley QD Rings?
Duke,
In brief here is a comparison:
Warnes:Warnes are made quite robust and solid.
Warnes rings use an insert to engage the cross slot in the bases.
The Weaver-style base lacks a recoil shoulder that pushes against the face of the ring under recoil.
Warnes have the advantage of a lower profile.
Talley:Talley's are machined tighter and finished better, and made from a solid bar of steel.
Talley's are sleeker and better looking than Warnes, and not as heavy to boot.
Talley rings though do not utilize an insert, as the whole ring base fits into the base cross-slot.
Talley's machined saddle design, with its double recoil shoulders completely immobilize the rings under heavy recoil.
The Talley bases are stronger than the Warnes and should be the preferred option on high-recoiling calibers such as the 416 Rigby and up.
Go here for a video clip:
http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/mbStory.htmWarrior
13 September 2010, 01:55
WarriorIn the Leupold range, the QRW is preferred over the QR range, as the QR's have dinky levers attached to the bases instead of the rings.
The Leupold QRW also feature a lower profile.
The QRW mounts that are based on the familiar cross-slot design of Weaver.
When the scope is removed to use the iron sights, the QRW is sleek and unobtrusive.
The rings are equipped with Torx head screws.
The QRW is also a popular choice.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting...-systems/qrw-mounts/Warrior
13 September 2010, 02:11
DUKE NUKEMquote:
Originally posted by Warrior:
In the Leupold range, the QRW is preferred over the QR range, as the QR's have dinky levers attached to the bases instead of the rings.
The Leupold QRW also feature a lower profile.
The QRW mounts that are based on the familiar cross-slot design of Weaver.
When the scope is removed to use the iron sights, the QRW is sleek and unobtrusive.
The rings are equipped with Torx head screws.
The QRW is also a popular choice.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting...-systems/qrw-mounts/Warrior
Are these not MIM casted though?
http://www.ssisintered.com/MIM_index.html13 September 2010, 03:33
DWrightBeen having Warnes break. Talleys are much stronger.
13 September 2010, 06:47
.458 OnlyI dunno if Talleys are much stronger or not, but my gunsmith (who builds for the pros)recommended Warnes for my CZ550 in .458 Win Mag. I've had 'em for over three years and after several hundred rounds of 500s at 2200+ fps and 350 TSXs at 2750, everything is still shooting where pointed. NO problems! I like 'em!
Bob
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13 September 2010, 08:26
<Mike McGuire>Weatherby choose Talley for the rings with their flying W and also for teh custom shop if you wants cope mounted.
Not many gun companies, in fact probably none, sell as many big kicking rifles as Wby.
13 September 2010, 11:51
BaxterBquote:
alley's machined saddle design, with its double recoil shoulders completely immobilize the rings under heavy recoil.
Even though the Talley's have two shoulders, the rings only interface with one (on each base), the front one. There will be a small gap between the ring and the rear shoulder. This is fine as during recoil, if the scope moved, it would only move (effectively) forward as the rifle moved rearward under it.
As a point of fact, when Talley mounts their peep they completely machine off the rear shoulder of the rear base so the peep slides on. Also, Butch Searcy build one-sided bases into the 1/4 rib on some of his doubles. The Talley's then slide on from the rear.
I have always liked the quality of the Talley's and the vise-like attachment to the bases. Good Stuff.
15 September 2010, 18:44
Snellstromquote:
Originally posted by DWright:
Been having Warnes break. Talleys are much stronger.
How are you "breaking" the Warnes?
I have Warnes and Talley's both on some fairly hard kicking rifles and I can't find fault with either product.
16 September 2010, 17:38
Arild IversenI have been looking for medium/low 30 mm QD rings for my Hawkeye / 375 Ruger.
Warne has 30 mm QD rings for Ruger, but I cant find any info on Talleys site about Ruger?
Am I missing something here??
Arild Iversen.
16 September 2010, 18:48
Snellstromquote:
Originally posted by Arild Iversen:
I have been looking for medium/low 30 mm QD rings for my Hawkeye / 375 Ruger.
Warne has 30 mm QD rings for Ruger, but I cant find any info on Talleys site about Ruger?
Am I missing something here??
Arild
I may be mistaken but Warne makes a QD ring that attaches to the Ruger integral base. Talley does not and if you want Talleys on a Ruger you have to buy a Talley Base and drill and tap that rifle.
I could be mistaken.
16 September 2010, 21:52
DMBquote:
Originally posted by Snellstrom:
quote:
Originally posted by Arild Iversen:
I have been looking for medium/low 30 mm QD rings for my Hawkeye / 375 Ruger.
Warne has 30 mm QD rings for Ruger, but I cant find any info on Talleys site about Ruger?
Am I missing something here??
Arild
I may be mistaken but Warne makes a QD ring that attaches to the Ruger integral base. Talley does not and if you want Talleys on a Ruger you have to buy a Talley Base and drill and tap that rifle.
I could be mistaken.
Warne used to make the QD rings for Rugers, but they stopped making them.
16 September 2010, 22:50
Arild IversenThank you guys.
It must be Warne then.
Looks like our local Midway shop has them in stock, but I will also see if any of the US based scope dealers ship overseas
(might save a few bucks...
).
Arild Iversen.
18 September 2010, 02:24
griffMy experience with warne rings has not been good.
I have had two sets, and each one of them has required so much lapping that that they would not clamp tight on the picatinny rail or the tube..
Arild,
I have a bucket full of badger 30mm rings at less than half the price of those on midway. Pm me if your interested
Wouldn't touch another set of Warnes with a shitty stick..
regards
Griff
18 September 2010, 07:04
NakihunterOn my Sako L61R 280 Ackley Imp I used to have a 30mm Sworovski scope which sold a couple of months ago. I then got a Zeiss scope 1" tube & so i had to replace the original Sako rings. I got a set of Wane rings & this has been my first experience with them or with any set of rings that clamp sideways rather than top to bottom.
I found it quite fiddly to get them on the scope & clamp on the integral dovetail of the Sako. In fact the rear ring will not lock at the minimum width of the dovetail & I needed to move the scope forward a bit to get the rings to lock firmly into the dovetail.
I also found that the half rings had to be "clipped" on the scope as they were not a perfect 1" semicircle but had a bit of spring in them. This made it difficult to vertically align the scope as the scope would not rotate. I was also worried about marking the scope. Finally i was able to get the scope fitted to my satisfaction. Now i need to take it to the range & try our how it shoots / works. I wish the rear ring had a stud / lug to fit the Sako rear dovetail recess.
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07 October 2010, 07:20
catosilvajeHad a set of Talleys on a custom 416 Rigby. No matter what I did the scope would not stay still. Threw them in the lake and put on some with a Leupold non detach. Stayed put after that with a little splicing tape inside the ring. Wouldn't give a dime for a truck load of Talleys.
08 October 2010, 05:40
Bobby TomekI've gone almost exclusively to Warne and have not had any problems at all. Granted, I don't use heavy kickers, but many of the problems I've seen with scopes/mounts often stem from improper mounting techniques and not th products themselves.
Bobby
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08 October 2010, 08:23
Mike_DettorreI kinda have to laugh when people say Talley's have a recoil shoulder and Warne's don't....
What do people think that square cross bolt acts like...
The front recoil shoulder takes all the force and I bet if you measure the surface area of the front side of the cross bolt vs the front side of the recoil shoulder you will not find much difference
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12 October 2010, 00:11
Rob1SGI've had two sets of the Warne's break on my 338-06 the screws at the bottom sheared off. They were mounted with a torque wrench at the recommended torque. I have gone to Talleys.