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Leupold VX - 3i ?
12 December 2015, 00:09
Kyler HamannLeupold VX - 3i ?
I've heard the VX-3 is no more... and will be replaced by the VX-3i early in 2016 (SHOT show?).
Has anyone heard this and do you know what the "i" stands for?
Thanks,
Kyler
12 December 2015, 18:40
BiebsKyler, normally I would think the "i" would be for lluminated reticle, but if the whole series is named as such...not sure.
12 December 2015, 19:01
Kyler HamannThat's what I was thinking too, but it doesn't make sense. No hints on their website either.
Thanks,
Kyler
12 December 2015, 19:15
Mike_DettorreWhy don't "we" just call them...
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
12 December 2015, 19:47
Kyler HamannHey Mike,
I'm doing some swapping with Weatherby for them to get my .378 grouping in exchange for one of my shooting lessons last summer. Adam Weatherby offered to put a scope on it too and their custom shop guy called Leupold and they told him they don't offer the VX-3 anymore.... They really wouldn't give him any details, only that he needed to wait until the VX-3i was introduced at SHOT.
I thought maybe somebody on AR would have a theory/guess.
I just didn't want to post that whole story.
Thanks,
Kyler
12 December 2015, 20:14
Mike_DettorreI suspect it is the "i" started off as an internal designation for "improved" or "innovation" as in the VX-3 Innovation Project so they just kept the deisgnator cause it was easy.
Not an uncommon thing in product development projects
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
12 December 2015, 21:39
QuintusIt stands for "i" can no longer afford them.
13 December 2015, 17:46
Biebsquote:
Why don't "we" just call them... Big Grin
Mike
Mike, and lose the opportunity to run 3-4 pages of guess, opinions, and inside information? This AR, isn't it? :-)
13 December 2015, 18:53
Kyler HamannOh well, no big deal. I just thought maybe somebody had heard some inside info. That seems like it would be big news to drop a popular line like that. I guess I'll find out next month.
Thanks,
Kyler
13 December 2015, 19:10
Mike_DettorreThey may not be "dropping the line".
They may have made some improvements to the current line which now use different parts and don't want to produce the unimproved model any more.
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
25 December 2015, 04:09
ArminiusIf "i" means "illuminated" I am the first one, to buy a 1,75 - 6 x 32 ILLUMINATED!
Hermann
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29 December 2015, 02:56
StonecreekThe VX-3 comes with a $100 rebate until Dec. 31. If anyone is in the market for a VX-3 I'd suggest you take advantage of this because its successor is certain to be two things: (1) More expensive, and (2) essentially the same as the scope it replaced except for the advertising hype.
29 December 2015, 04:46
OLBIKERquote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
The VX-3 comes with a $100 rebate until Dec. 31. If anyone is in the market for a VX-3 I'd suggest you take advantage of this because its successor is certain to be two things: (1) More expensive, and (2) essentially the same as the scope it replaced except for the advertising hype.
Winner ,winner ,chicken dinner!!!!
31 December 2015, 09:21
Austin Hunterquote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
The VX-3 comes with a $100 rebate until Dec. 31. If anyone is in the market for a VX-3 I'd suggest you take advantage of this because its successor is certain to be two things: (1) More expensive, and (2) essentially the same as the scope it replaced except for the advertising hype.
I bought one today from Cabelas! 4.5-14x40mm! Used $88.19 in Cabela's points, got free shipping, and 15% extra club points for the purchase - and the $100 rebate when I mail it in. Good deal!
"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan
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31 December 2015, 20:56
SFRanger7GPAustin Hunter: I did a similar buy on a 3.5x10 for the M24 7x57 Melvin Forbes is building me.
01 January 2016, 08:00
sambarman338quote:
I bought one today from Cabelas! 4.5-14x40mm! Used $88.19 in Cabela's points, got free shipping, and 15% extra club points for the purchase - and the $100 rebate when I mail it in. Good deal!
Don't forget! These rebate schemes work for the sellers mainly because people buy for the rebate but many never claim it.
01 January 2016, 08:18
sambarman338quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
They may not be "dropping the line".
They may have made some improvements to the current line which now use different parts and don't want to produce the unimproved model any more.
Mike, I've just sent you a PM
23 January 2016, 03:43
LJSThe "I" indicates improved per the on line catalog. It looks like gloss has been eliminated from the VX3 line. Everything I saw was matte. The 3.5x10 is reduced $100 and is priced the same as the lower magnification variables. I read somewhere they had reduced the line 50%.
23 January 2016, 05:21
eezridrThere is info on there Leupold web site. Optics are supposedly brighter with less glare than the VX3. The variable ring is supposedly improved. Easier to turn.
23 January 2016, 06:33
BriceLJS is correct, the i signifies improved. The MSRP for the 3.5 x 10 has been reduced from $500 to $400. Leupold says that they have achieved some savings by removing some products from their line. Got this from Doug at Cameraland in a post on another site.
23 January 2016, 06:37
BriceCorrection: See post of 1/15 re Shot Show on this forum.
29 January 2016, 02:20
Stonecreekquote:
its successor is certain to be two things: (1) More expensive, and (2) essentially the same as the scope it replaced except for the advertising hype.
Reading gr8fuldoug's post on the SHOT show, I will reiterate number 2, but am greatly surprised that, according to gr8fuldoug, the price has actually been reduced.
It's not good for your mental health to try to get into the head of marketers these days, but it appears that Leupold had attempted to put too much financial daylight between its VX-2 line and its only very marginally superior VX-3 line.
They now have essentially seven lines of scopes (in ascending order): Redfield Revenge (imported), Redfield Revolution (US-assembled), Rifleman, VX-1, VX-2, VX-3, and VX-6. In order to keep so many lines viable in the market they have to be priced proportionally (regardless of their actual cost or value). Apparently Leupold was finding the wide pricing gap between the VX-2 and VX-3 unsustainable, or alternatively, the VX-3 was priced so high that it was forcing their VX-6 pricing beyond the limits for that market. Who knows?
But my greatest fear is that Leupold will drop their best bargains, the VX-1 and VX-2, in order to force buyers of quality scopes to step up (financially) to the new VX-3i line.
29 January 2016, 03:17
eezridrNoticed on the Leupold website that there are no current illuminated offerings in the VX3i
29 January 2016, 06:28
TexKD^^^
Yes - that keeps me in the VX-6s.
My VXRs seem to be as good optically as a VX3 was.
I wouldn't mind to try a VX3i. But at the same time I know the VX-6s work excellent for me. While they are higher priced , the VX-6 is half what a Swaro is and it seemed just as good overall and the same in most comparative functions to me.
29 January 2016, 14:25
eezridrNice thing about VX2's and 3's, 3i's is if you stay with a 1" tube and 40mm or less objective is that they are somewhat compact and light weight.
The current trend is toward +20 oz scopes.
Ok for still hunting but those oz's add up hauling the weight up hills.
I like the VX6 as well. Just wish Leupold would add the hydrophic coatings to that model. Hell of a scope!
EZ
07 February 2016, 19:55
LJSLooks like the 1.75X6 has been dropped and is not shown in the new Leupold catalog listing VX3I models.
Also didn't see any of Bieb's favorite L series with the crazy optical lens.
08 February 2016, 00:47
BiebsI hate those. Looks like Salvador Dali designed it!!! :-)
08 February 2016, 02:35
bwana cecilWaiting for someone to actually do a comparison (not a commercial) to see if you truly get the extra minutes at dusk & dawn.
My eyes can surly use all of the help they can get.
I like the L series myself, have 3 of them.
LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show.
Not all who wander are lost.
NEVER TRUST A FART!!!
Cecil Leonard
10 February 2016, 07:35
sambarman338quote:
Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Waiting for someone to actually do a comparison (not a commercial) to see if you truly get the extra minutes at dusk & dawn.
My eyes can surly use all of the help they can get.
I like the L series myself, have 3 of them.
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I hope you have done the obvious thing for yourself, though - been to a ophthalmologist, or at least an optometrist, to make sure your glasses are up to date. I'm sure you're not one of them but it seems a lot of hunters think a scope and binoculars solve all optical problems and are too vain to get specs.
15 February 2016, 07:26
bwana cecilquote:
Yes, that sounds like a good idea. I hope you have done the obvious thing for yourself, though - been to a ophthalmologist, or at least an optometrist, to make sure your glasses are up to date. I'm sure you're not one of them but it seems a lot of hunters think a scope and binoculars solve all optical problems and are too vain to get specs.
Very good advise & yes I went about 3 months ago & am wearing new glasses.
LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show.
Not all who wander are lost.
NEVER TRUST A FART!!!
Cecil Leonard
17 February 2016, 04:51
sambarman338Good to hear, Cecil! Also, please forgive my own optical failings: I meant to write
an opthalmologist.
18 April 2016, 01:53
Arminiusquote:
Originally posted by LJS:
Looks like the 1.75X6 has been dropped and is not shown in the new Leupold catalog listing VX3I models.
And that´s EXACTLY the scope I wanted in an illuminated version.
Hermann
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18 April 2016, 04:48
Kyler HamannI've had the new 3i version on a lightweight .378 with no break for about a month. It's holding zero and that's saying a lot for that rifle.
The configuration is a bit different than my older 3.5x10's, but it seems just as clear and bright as the older versions.
18 April 2016, 17:19
BriceI think Leupold is feeling the heat from Vortex, Zeiss and others. I have a barrel of Leu scopes and have used them for years. They are tougher than whang leather, but others are better optically and otherwise for the money now.
15 May 2016, 20:03
Arminiusquote:
Originally posted by LJS:
Looks like the 1.75X6 has been dropped and is not shown in the new Leupold catalog listing VX3I models.
It´s BACK:
https://www.leupold.com/huntin...s/vx-3i-1-75-6x32mm/and there are even 2 VX 3 i with illuminated reticle, e.g.:
https://www.leupold.com/huntin...illuminated-reticle/Will there be more of those?
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