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Cancellation Buff Hunt in RSA
16 August 2006, 16:51
CunninghamCancellation Buff Hunt in RSA
I have just received word from my PH in South Africa that we have a cancellation on a Buffalo Hunt in the RSA for this year. The hunt must be taken by November 06'.
The safari is in South Africa, in the Limpopo province on a game ranch called Sandrigham. This is next door to Timbavati. The area is +-15000 acres. You can expect the Buffalo quality to be very good, a 40"+ is obtainable. 1 X 1. The cost will be $14500.(US) for 10 days, all inclusive. Daily rates and Buffalo trophy fee are included. Any Plains Game may be taken on this hunt at the 2006 trophy rates. Airfare(s) and pre and post accomodations are the hunters responsibility.
For anyone interested PM me.
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Bob Cunningham
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16 August 2006, 21:28
Caracal HunterCunningham,
I'm not trying to be a smart-azz or degrade your post in any way. I'm just curious why someone would pay almost $15000 for a buffalo hunt in S.A., when you can hunt them for much less in Zim. or TZ?
CH
16 August 2006, 23:05
mark65x55Well...this aint going to be pretty.
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17 August 2006, 01:20
465H&HThe added cost is justified in SA. It takes a lot more money to hand rase a 40" buff from a calf. You have buff food, fences to build, vet fees etc. Much cheeper to let one grow up in the wild on his own.
465H&H
17 August 2006, 03:09
SunshineAbsolutely ridiculous. For that amount I could get you five buffalo in Zambia!
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www.kapstadt.de/lemberg17 August 2006, 21:30
MARK H. YOUNGCaracal Hunter
Idon't know what Cunningham's response will be but two reasons for hunting buff in RSA come to mind. One is that a surprising number of hunters who have had a good experience with a South African PH want to continue to hunt everything with him. If his buffalo hunts are like what is described in the ad people will buy them. Second South Africa is pretty civilized, easy to get around in and some folks are much more comfortable there than to the north. Also it is convenient to fly right to JIA, go direct to an area with lovely accommodations and then hunt your buffalo. Also I can assure you even if the buffalo are behind a fence they are not tame. They can provide attitude as well as any of their brethren in Zim or anywhere else.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 17 August 2006, 21:38
kayakerquote:
The added cost is justified in SA. It takes a lot more money to hand rase a 40" buff from a calf. You have buff food, fences to build, vet fees etc. Much cheeper to let one grow up in the wild on his own.
I am sure you are just taking the piss!
17 August 2006, 21:53
AfricanHunterquote:
Originally posted by kayaker:
quote:
The added cost is justified in SA. It takes a lot more money to hand rase a 40" buff from a calf. You have buff food, fences to build, vet fees etc. Much cheeper to let one grow up in the wild on his own.
I am sure you are just taking the piss!
Why so?????????????
17 August 2006, 22:00
RayRayquote:
Originally posted by AfricanHunter:
quote:
Originally posted by kayaker:
quote:
The added cost is justified in SA. It takes a lot more money to hand rase a 40" buff from a calf. You have buff food, fences to build, vet fees etc. Much cheeper to let one grow up in the wild on his own.
I am sure you are just taking the piss!
Why so?????????????
What do you mean? Doesn't it cost more to grow one in an enclosure?
17 August 2006, 22:04
kayakerNot every buff is hand raised, just like not every elk is hand raised in a pen either, although some are...
Some buff are 'raised' in SA and those are typically 'disease free' i.e. not in foot and mouth/corridor disease areas and therefore fetch a premium at sales for folks who want to re-stock areas west of the 'disease zones'. Thats why you see some in the places like N Cape that are quite 'tame'. I do aggree that the price seems high, no doubt, but no for this misinformed reason.
I think this will deteriorate into another 'canned lion' debate....
17 August 2006, 22:47
500grainsWith all the hassle that SAPS puts hunters through, buff hunting in RSA should be cheaper than in other countries.
18 August 2006, 00:57
LHowellSunshine,
Where is it, exactly, that I can hunt five Cape Buffalo in Zambia [all included?] for 10 days for $14,500?
I think I need to look into this more seriously. I was under the impression that it was more expensive there.
Les
18 August 2006, 05:19
DanEPMy understanding is that those folks keeping game have to have licensed/inspected enclosures, and the animals have to be compatable with other livestock (ie, disease free). There are carrying capacity limitations -- how many animals of various kinds that can be kept. Buff take longer to mature than most antelope... so there's all this space they take up that isn't yielding income. My understanding is that clean buff auctions are running around $8,500-9,500, with dropping prices expected every year. Then there's the daily fees. It looks like the PH wants about $500/day for 10 days. Not all PH's would ask for 10 days, but if you add plains-game, you'll end up paying it for 10 days anyway. You collect your buff on the 2nd day, and you still have your PH for 8 more days... it would be a shame to waste the time. Plan on a few PG's to fill your bag for the time you've bought. Bottom line, the rates sound typical of RSA for full-fee arranged trips -- no discounts for the cancellation (keeping the down payment/travel insurance, too?).
I've seen some lower prices in Caprivi Strip (Namibia), Zambia, intermediate quotes in Tanzania... but you need to be careful to count licensing fees, other charges that end up making things more equal... then there's impact from poaching in some areas (I've heard it has been a problem in Caprivi, for example.. but its really hearsay for me).
Dan
18 August 2006, 19:51
Sunshinequote:
Where is it, exactly, that I can hunt five Cape Buffalo in Zambia [all included?] for 10 days for $14,500?
Sorry Les, my mistake. The bargain prices only apply to the poor South Africans...
18 August 2006, 20:37
LHowellSee! Those local South Africans are always getting better hunting deals than we can get!!!
At least they sell us their wonderful wines reasonably!
Les
18 August 2006, 21:14
465H&Hquote:
Originally posted by 465H&H:
The added cost is justified in SA. It takes a lot more money to hand rase a 40" buff from a calf. You have buff food, fences to build, vet fees etc. Much cheeper to let one grow up in the wild on his own.
465H&H
kayaker!
I stand by what I said. Buffalo hunts cost more in SA for the reasons above as well as several more reasons.
465H&H
18 August 2006, 22:06
Sunshinequote:
See! Those local South Africans are always getting better hunting deals than we can get.
At least they sell us their wonderful wines reasonably!
Les, here we are! I'm most likely South Africa's only winemaker who is an active PH. Have a look at our website. You should really try our wines.
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www.kapstadt.de/lemberg20 August 2006, 01:56
cable68One reason I personally looked at buff in RSA for an upcoming hunt was the creature comforts, not for myself, but for the wife and step-daughter. (Also primary species to be hunted buff and nyala).
Actuallly ending up doing a split hunt. 5 days Zim, 5 days RSA.
Caleb
20 August 2006, 04:59
Wendell ReichWhile the vast majority prefer to hunt Buffalo free range, there is obviously a market for a South African Buffalo hunt or the prices would not be so high.
Supply and demand.
20 August 2006, 12:00
Andrew McLarenWendell,
You are quite correct: Supply and Demand.
Earlier this year I reall serched very for the lowest price at which I could get a free-ranging totally wild buffalo to be hunted in an ethical manner. Many phone calls were made, and considering everything I think the offer made by Cunningham is in the "typical South African cost ballpark."
You can get a "canned" or "hand raised" buffalo for far less than the typical price. But don't even ask me for a name: I'm simply not into canned hunting at all!
cable68 gave one example of what is on offer in South Africa besides a "dead buffalo on the ground".
In good hunting.
Andrew.
20 August 2006, 12:04
Andrew McLarenquote:
Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:
Wendell,
You are quite correct: Supply and Demand.
Earlier this year I reall searched very hard for the lowest price at which I could get a free-ranging totally wild buffalo to be hunted in an ethical manner. Many phone calls were made, and considering everything I think the offer made by Cunningham is in the "typical South African cost ballpark." Not the lowest, nor the highest. Just about what a typical fair chase buffalo will cost you in South Africa! Just as DanEP said!
You can get a "canned" or "hand raised" buffalo for far less than the typical price. But don't even ask me for a name: I'm simply not into canned hunting at all!
cable68 gave one example of what is on offer in South Africa besides a "dead buffalo on the ground".
In good hunting.
Andrew.
21 August 2006, 20:21
Jaco HumanHere is another angle on the price of buffalo in RSA. As far as I know RSA is the only country that is doing something to breed disease free buffalo. Buffaloes are carriers of TB and Coridor disease. TB have a tremendous effect on predators and scavengers that feeds on Buffalo.
The breeding program and the introduction of disease free buffalo into the areas they were previously roaming is a costly process. Buffalo only reach trophy size at around 10years+.
The buffalo that is used as breeding stock comes from game farms where no hunting is done. The owners cannot hunt the Buff, because a lot of greenies are visiting the ranches, if they hunt the animals, they lose bussiness and they invested heavily in their camps etc. I do not agree with what I wrote, but this is a fact. The animals are baught by game merchants who in turn sells it to ranchers that are in the redline area and they breed the disease free buffalo. The old males are hunted and the cows are used for breeding. The trophy fee that is paid is used to finance the disease free buffalo project.
Yes as the program grows and more and more buff are relocated to the areas where they previously existed, they will become cheaper.
No buff will ever get 100% tame, to be honest I am SH#T scared of a so called tame buff, they have lost all their fear for human beings and they are totally unpredictable, much worse than a free roaming buff.
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www.sahuntexp.com 27 August 2006, 12:54
ChrisTroskiequote:
Originally posted by Sunshine:
quote:
Where is it, exactly, that I can hunt five Cape Buffalo in Zambia [all included?] for 10 days for $14,500?
Sorry Les, my mistake. The bargain prices only apply to the poor South Africans...
Sunshine since I am a "poor South African" can you perhaps provide me with more info on this deal?