the spirit world of africa

14 August 2008, 18:18

It was a few years back, probably around the campfire, when our PH told a story. He and another PH with their wives were in joberg. His wife had her purse stolen out of the hotel. They went to the police, and got the normal reaction. The other PH suggested going to a witch doctor he knew. Ken was to say the least skeptical, but having nothing to lose they went anyway. The old witch doctor threw his bones and stones around and asked them questions. Simple ones like whose purse was stolen, etc. Ken, getting fed up told him that they were there to get answers, not answer stupid questions. Eventually, the old witch doctor told them that a maid had stolen the purse and it was buried on the east side of a large tree in the hotel courtyard. They went to look there, found the purse, and the maid confessed to stealing it.
Then there are the stories of the toklash etc. There does seem to be a spirit world to many of the blacks that we can't understand. Perhaps similar to some of the american indians.
Interesting thing to ponder on a peaceful morning

14 August 2008, 18:45

adrook

That's not entirely implausible.

14 August 2008, 20:22

jbderunz

It's really hard to believe it, but Africa is so weird.
When in the CAR, the last day, my cousin observed that his cell phone had been stolen. Immediately the PH called for a witch doctor in the village close by. This guy put so much pressure on the 33 helpers of the camp that eventually the robber gave the phone back, but then we were flying back home.

14 August 2008, 20:33

.366torque

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Please have him select 6 numbers from those given.

14 August 2008, 21:43

Atkinson

As much as some are inclined to believe or want to believe it, all of that stuff is just another form of a con job..I have a witch doctors prescription and license somewhere around here, and it recommends that the donor hit himself in the head each morning with a rock to cure his headache or something like that. I framed it and his license. I'll have to look that one up and photograph and post it.

14 August 2008, 21:52

scruffy

Hah ! Back in '96 I was on a safari in the Save Conservancy with my son. Our cook was a witch doctor according to the PH ... all I knew was that he made hot fresh bread daily. He was about 40 and dressed very well. Near the end of the trip he came to me and told me that he had a headache and did I have any pain killers ..

I gave the fine man some Tylenol. Folks, I cured a witch doctor.

14 August 2008, 22:09

JBoutfishn

quote:
Then there are the stories of the toklash etc. There does seem to be a spirit world to many of the blacks that we can't understand. Perhaps similar to some of the american indians.
Interesting thing to ponder on a peaceful morning

There are many things we don't understand. Having walked Sacred Ground with respect, taken part in the fire ceremony, felt the unexplained in the foest, and received the medicine bag from a respected friend, there is more than the visible world.

Ray, you sound just like a retired cop

14 August 2008, 23:18

jetdrvr

Many, many years ago, the University of Miami's ocean research vessal made port in Dakar. The crew was totally fed up with a particularly nasty first mate.

They went ashore and hired a witch doctor to stand on the pier for three days and put bad ju-ju on the mate. Three days out of port, the mate fell down a companionway and broke his leg.

Cause and effect? Who knows? The crew considered it money well spent.

14 August 2008, 23:28

MARK H. YOUNG

Whether you believe or not the locals do. The witch doctor takes secrets as payment for spells etc sometimes and files them away for a later favor/payment. So he knows a lot of things. Many problems have been solved through the witch doctor's wealth of information. I personally know of two cases where firearms were found after being stolen.

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14 August 2008, 23:49

Cunningham

All these stories should not befuddle or mystify you or anyone else. There are spirits everywhere, all the time, bad and good. The purse was found because a spirit, demon, minion, or what ever you want to call them told the witchdoctor and this person simply passed that info on to the man about the purse. The witchdoctor is simply a vessel or conduit of information into the living world. The unseen world is as real as you and I are. When you are born you are forever. Where you go after that is up to you. But understand this, the spirits are already there and have always been there since they were created. You are simply seeing something happen that is "unexplained" so as you might be diverted and mystified off your path.

15 August 2008, 00:03

Jorge400

I will say that I don't believe in all this mumbo jumbo - all the same, I give my grandmother's Jamaican nurse all the venison she wants because that medicine woman scares the shit out of me.

I will also add that due in part to an accident prone hunter who shall remain nameless; Vaughan Fulton has been on a 14 month moratorium from touching porcupine quills.

15 August 2008, 00:10

jetdrvr

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Originally posted by Cunningham:
All these stories should not befuddle or mystify you or anyone else. There are spirits everywhere, all the time, bad and good. The purse was found because a spirit, demon, minion, or what ever you want to call them told the witchdoctor and this person simply passed that info on to the man about the purse. The witchdoctor is simply a vessel or conduit of information into the living world. The unseen world is as real as you and I are. When you are born you are forever. Where you go after that is up to you. But understand this, the spirits are already there and have always been there since they were created. You are simply seeing something happen that is "unexplained" so as you might be diverted and mystified off your path.

My life experience has shown this to be likely.

15 August 2008, 05:29

jeff h

When I was in the Caprivi, I met the witch doc. His wife was sick, he took her to the local hospital. ITS bsflag

15 August 2008, 08:38

DC300

quote:
Originally posted by .366torque:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49

Please have him select 6 numbers from those given.

15 August 2008, 20:49

Michael Robinson

There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

15 August 2008, 21:55

Indy

Such mumbo jumbo is just coincidence.

We remember the time it works and forget the 99 times it doesn't.

16 August 2008, 04:19

Atkinson

I was in RSA and the local witch doctor bought a 8 year old boy, killed him, made jerky out of him and ground him up into powder and sold the viles to the old men for a dollar a bottle.. They caught him and hung him..

That's that sacred ground you walked..congratsulations you have been reading too many science fiction books!

16 August 2008, 04:29

pichon1

Most people go through life believing in various "Gods" (associated with different religious persuasions), about whose existence there is absolutely no proof. Two things are for sure.
1. They can't all be right.

2. They will never know they were wrong.

To me believing in witchcraft is similar, difficult to prove one way or the other. Keep an open mind, strange things do happen!!!

16 August 2008, 04:32

TWL

And that first mate who was causing trouble for the crew? Did he fall? Unlikely. More likely to have been thrown. Either way, the ju-ju worked.

16 August 2008, 04:48

jetdrvr

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Originally posted by TWL:
And that first mate who was causing trouble for the crew? Did he fall? Unlikely. More likely to have been thrown. Either way, the ju-ju worked.

He fell. The ship took an odd wave and down he went. Dumping a Frist Mate down a companionway aboard a small ship is not considered ot be carrer-enhancing, and it would be esy to discover wnyone who did it. The man fell. Think whatever you like.

16 August 2008, 21:43

jetdrvr

quote:
Originally posted by jetdrvr:
quote:
Originally posted by TWL:
And that first mate who was causing trouble for the crew? Did he fall? Unlikely. More likely to have been thrown. Either way, the ju-ju worked.

He fell. The ship took an odd wave and down he went. Dumping a First Mate down a companionway aboard a small ship is not considered to be career-enhancing, and it would be easy to discover anyone who did it. The man fell. Think whatever you like.

16 August 2008, 22:42

Gerald Peter

"There are more things between Heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in thy philosophy"

I made the near equivalent of a one shot kill on a buff. (He went down less than 100 feet from where the first shot went in)The trackers were delirious with joy. The PH told me that he had shot an impala and donated it to the local witch doctor at the insistence of one of the trackers (the other was a Christian) -and the doctor predicted that the trackers would have no dangerous moments with the first client of the season. (Me in early May in Zim) The PH told me he and the trackers had nine incidents the previous year where the buff made it to heavy vlei after the client's first shot failed to nail him and some of the incidents nearly became quite hairy. OK, so a witch doctor arranged for my buff kill. Who am I to argue?