416 Rigby: 100 year mauser commemorative

26 August 2001, 16:31

<R. A. Berry>

Well, doggies!
I appreciate that too. I presume this to be an Oberndorf square bridge magnum mauser made in 1998 as the centennial commemoration of the greatest action of all time?

Would this be in the Speed et al book or is there a website where the afficianados can read about this gun? Or could Alf or Ray tell us a bit about it?

PS: Best cartridge of all time too, the 416 Rigby. What is that gun worth? How long is the barrel, and what is the muzzle diameter, please?

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Good huntin' and shootin',
RAB

[This message has been edited by R. A. Berry (edited 08-26-2001).]

26 August 2001, 16:43

ready_on_the_right

Sweet! I may need a tissue!!

Mike

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26 August 2001, 18:04

ALF

27 August 2001, 03:53

GeorgeS

Lovely rifles, but worthless to me as they are not available in lefthand!

George

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27 August 2001, 07:59

<buffalo_buster>

Nice rifles,
Who owns the Mauser trademark now? and why don't they produce their actions anymore?

mauser action is recognized all over the world then why would they let go of millions of potential customers who are most likely to buy new mauser actions and rifles?

Can anyone shed some light on it?
BB

27 August 2001, 08:51

ALF

27 August 2001, 08:55

Fritz Kraut

The Mauser Werke are still producing rifles. Take a look at www.mauserwaffen.de/ I quote some nice words: "The manufacturing of the legendary bolt action rifle Mauser M 98 has been started again. The Mauser 98-action is machined out of one solid piece of high-grade steel. The manufacturing is based on drawings of 1936 and the respective Mauser patents" And furthermore: "Calibers:
.416 Rigby, .450 Dakota, .458 Lott
(Magazine capacity 4 +1)
At extra cost: .500 Jeffery
(Magazine capacity 3 +1)"
Not a single word about prices as at the american manufacturers.

I think itï¿½s the same rifle as mentioned above, but without that 100-years anniversary stamp. There are two anniversary M98 here in Sweden, one .375 and one .416. Iï¿½ve seen the .375, and itï¿½s nice piece of work. But it costs about $8000 here, and the gun-monger have had it for sale two years now.

Best regards

Fritz

27 August 2001, 08:59

<Norbert>

Mauser trademark is now owned by the Blaser holding, which in turn is bought few years ago by two businessman, who were not in the hunting rifle business before.

The production of the Mauser commemoration rifle was not at the Mauser factory, as there is no further production at all. Also Johannsen is only a dealer, certification as to authenticity is questionable, it only may mean the dimensions. The manufacture of these rifles is from good teamwork, but includes some basic parts made in eastern countries.

Because it is merely the stamp "Mauser" which differs from other replicas of the Mauser action, the price should be the criterion wether to buy such a rifle or not. The CZ 550 is a far better offer and used by Rigby (also today only a brand) for modern rifles. Only standard Mauser action reworked are on the market, which are original mauser. And very cheap, starting around $ 500.

It is sad, but reality, there is no original Mauser production today. There are few other gunsmiths offering Mauser "Magnum" actions, but all from few sources that may be the same as the Johannsen / Mauser.

27 August 2001, 09:30

ALF

27 August 2001, 09:54

<Norbert>

As to the CZ 550, I only referred to it pricewise. And a good gunsmith can built a very reliable magnum rifle from it.

And what about the identical rifles, one stamped "Mauser" and another "xxx" ? Both are very good rifles, but the brand "Mauser" today is very inflationary, also used on toy pistols. I would not pay for that stamp.

BTW: "The manufacturing of the legendary bolt action rifle Mauser M 98 has been started again" doesnï¿½t refer to the Mauser works. They are also not produced by Rheinmetall. See above.
Rheinmetall and Mauserwerke today are in the military business and not to be confused with the former Mauser Jagdwaffen GmbH, which is now under the roof of the Blaser holding as is the same for SIGarms. See at www.mauserwaffen.de/, the postal address given there is the same as for Blaser Jagdwaffen Gmbh.

There seems to be no potential of "millions" of customers of theses rifles. In reality it was a commercial flop. Offered since 1998 200 rifles and still available with discount.

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27 August 2001, 12:24

ALF

28 August 2001, 01:49

Recono

Alf,

I got a little confused by that last (doesn't mean much - I'm easily confused). Doesn't it matter most who the action is MADE by, and of what? Personally, I trust the Czechs, and a number of people know how to smooth things up, but NAME has meaning to me only as a an indication of physical facts about the product. I'm aware of a number of Colt products that weren't made by Colt. When they were made by Astra, I was interested, because Astra is also a decent company. Some of the others I'm not so sure about.

I will pay money for a RIFLE, not for a copyright or trademark.

Am I missing something here, or are we simply interested in entirely different things?

28 August 2001, 03:55

ALF

28 August 2001, 06:23

Recono

Alf,

Thanks for the very clear answer. Forgive my ignorance - I'm a bit new to Mausers. Where can I learn more?

Tx in advance.

Recono

28 August 2001, 08:10

<Norbert>

Alf,

I never argued, that a Mauser is not a Mauser when the stamp is right. I only wanted to make clear, where todays Mauser are manufactured, not at Oberndorf. And somebody asked for information about the owner today. This info I gave.

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28 August 2001, 11:55

<R. A. Berry>

The CZ 550 "sucks?" And here I thought Alf knew what he was talking about! What a snobbish thing to say! I think I am going to cry!

Parts is parts! I won't be "sucked" in by the magical Mauser mystique after all. BTW, how about a $3000 dollar toilet seat from from NASA? If it had NASA stamped on it would it be worth it?

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Good huntin' and shootin',
RAB

28 August 2001, 11:56

<500 AHR>

It is a Mauser because it was built on the Mauser patents? What does that mean. Mauser's patents ran out along long time ago. Anybody and I mean anybody can make a mauser action today and there is nothing anybody else can do about it. I assume Alf what you meant to say is that it is a Mauser because it wears the Mauser registered trademark. That is a different story.

By the way, I disagree with your statement regarding the quality differences between the BRNO 602 and the CZ 550. I see little difference owning with perhaps the CZ 550 beating the older 602.

Todd E

28 August 2001, 16:32

ALF

29 August 2001, 12:00

<R. A. Berry>

What? More pi$$ing and moaning?
Don't let Alf's whining turn anyone against the CZ 550 Magnum. A gunsmith can do wonders with the CZ. It is a great improvement over the "suckie" late model BRNO ZKK 602's that he is also whining about... which, BTW, can be made into excellent rifles by the art of gunsmithing, with custom options you will not find on that $8000.00 out-of-the-box Mauser nostalgia piece.

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Good huntin' and shootin',
RAB

31 August 2001, 07:23

MacD37

this rifle is featured in an article in the Oct 2001 issue of SHOOTING TIMES, on page 54, and is available from SIG ARMS for a tag price of $6,500 usd. It can be had in 416 Rigby,450 Dekota,458 LOTT,and 500 Jeffery

Give it a look!

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31 August 2001, 11:12

500grains

I have a cz550 and it's a sturdy, functional action.

But after handling a Reimer Johannsen or a Hartman & Weiss, I agree it sucks.

31 August 2001, 11:26

<500 AHR>

500Grains,

Why are those others so much better than the CZ550? I mean what are the critical differences?

Thanks for the information.

Todd E

04 September 2001, 23:45

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by ALF:
As to this particular rifle: The action is Reimer Johannen need i say any more?

1. You need to say who MADE it, not who sold it. As far as I know, most of Johannsen's actions are CNC machined my Gottfried Prechtl in Weinheim.

2. Since you claim some degree of Mauser knowledge: What does the name Otto Repa tell you ?

Carcano

05 September 2001, 08:56

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by ALF:
If the banner is authentic and it was put on the rifle in accordance with the patent right that goes with that banner then it is a Mauser whether it is owned by Blaser or by SIGARMS or anyone else for that matter.

Definitely not. A lot of cheap Hungarian pistols and Zastava rifles are sold here now under the licensed Luger trademark. Are they Lugers ? No. Does just any gun become a "Mauser" if someone glues a Mauser banner sticker on it, even under a license ? No.

quote:
If you own a Model 66 and I have two what are they? or a model 2000? they are all still mausers,

Nope. The Model 66 with its Gehmann-patented telescoping action was made by Mauser in Oberndorf and therefore _is_ a Mauser.
The Model 2000 rifles were made by Heym and only sold by Mauser.

Carcano

05 September 2001, 09:08

Deerdogs

Carcano: sorry to go off topic but - see my 318 Westley Richards thread - do you know the name of the German action maker who is producing new RH & LH square bridge actions identical to original Mauser?

05 September 2001, 11:12

carcano91

Deerdogs:

I'll try to find out, but I'll only be in Germany for 1.5 days more, and then it's off to the USA for 2 weeks. Can't promise a fast answer thus :-).

Regards,
Carcano

05 September 2001, 16:24

ALF

05 September 2001, 20:24

aHunter

I own a Winchester ( 101? ) Supergrade 12 ga O/U which is identical to a Miroku I looked at Saturday. But its not identical to a Miroku I own. But some Brownings look identical, too.

As for the CZ 550: I just bought one. After breaking in the action with lots of gun oil and some muscle, the action is_very_smooth. BTW whatever was told on some forums, the bolt_is_highly polished. And the bolt handle is not hollow. Also the finish under the stock is a joy! The plastic parts shall be replaced, Iï¿½m waiting for them just now. CZ also told me because of customer reactions they would skip plastic in the future.

So I think they listen to customers, which is not so with all ( gun related )companies.

But to be honest: the stock fits me for open sights, but i would prefer a straight one, too. And the action does not feel like a wartime Mauser or a Win SG. Iï¿½m not sure if all polished is the difference, IMHO angle of cocking cam or length of striker travel or what else is involved mechanically might be the reason.

Good shooting! H

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