Tanzania also allows a certain amount of flexibility with regard to certain business sectors and will sometimes issue a waiver for some or all of the investment figure required if your business falls into one of those named sectors..... tourism being one of those named sectors. Retirement as Mich says, is also a possibility.

Another option is to go to live on Zanzibar as it has easier residency laws. I don't know much about Zanzibar and perhaps Mich can put me straight but it strikes me that there's more political turmoil there, esp at election time, but I'd guess it probably doesn't affect the white folks much........

You are right, Steve, in that the political turmoil is not targeted at foreigners....but you might just be in the worng place at the worng time!

Zanzibar is one of those places you either hate or love, IMO. Working there will definetely test your patience and self control . Retiring there as a pensioner would be suitable to someone with a "care-free" mentality who won't mind being constantly hassled by the human "leeches"; a by-product of the bustling Tourism industry.

Peter, Zambia sounds quite reasonable.

If we were to do this we would spend about 6to8
months there and the balance in US.

We would not be setting up a business there, our income, ie.. all money would come from the US.So I guess from thier point of veiw would be considered "retired".

Would want to become a resident of said country.

We would like to buy a very small farm or just a house for when we are there.

Bwanamich, does Tanzania offer an option like this (for less than 300K ?

This seems like a reasonable option in Zamibia. Correct Peter?

Allen

Allen,

If you apply to reside in Tanzania as a "pensioner" you don't need to invest 300K! You have to justify why you want to live in Tz and prove you have the finances to do so. Your application would be best done through a lawyer of repute. Once you are here, you must be a full resident for at least 12 months before you may hunt as a resident hunter. You will also find that you will be inclined to start up some small business or other once you are here and have settled down.

If you are serious, i suggest you contact the Tanzanian High Commission office in washington for more info.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Zanzibar is one of those places you either hate or love, IMO. Working there will definetely test your patience and self control . Retiring there as a pensioner would be suitable to someone with a "care-free" mentality who won't mind being constantly hassled by the human "leeches"; a by-product of the bustling Tourism industry.

So Zanzibar is no longer a laid back relaxed paradise?

Michel,

So if I go in as a retired person, will they give me residency or will they give me a retired visa? - and if the latter, how long is that visa valid for and how much does it cost to renew?

Also, if they let me in as a retired person, am I permitted to start a business and if so, will I need to take in a Tanzanian partner?

Nitrox,
IMO it is not! but then I saw zanzibar the first time back in 1990. It was like going back in time into a sleepy fishing village.

Steve, you are too young to pass for a pensioner...

As a retired person you get a special permit Class C (i think) which is valid for 2 years. Not sure of the cost. My family tried this route with my elderly uncle several years back and we decided, in his case, it was easier to get a dependant's permit through us.

I doesn't allow you to be employed in tanzania but one can start a business with a local partner and just remain a shareholder, I guess. Questions better answered by corporate lawyers.

Does anyone know what it takes to buy land in Zambia, if you are South African by nationality?
Also any info on restrictions to getting a PH license there?

cheers
stj

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Rust

What is your top 3 liveable places in Africa... and why?

1. Swakopmund - easy and inexpensive living
2. Windhoek - everything I need in a clean and modern small city
3. Capetown - I have good friends who live there

OUGADOUGOU

I love to eat lamb, I like sheep, I count sheep at night, I wear high top boots, ooops better not go there!! :rotflmo thus New Zealand is the best town Africa has to offer imo...

I would tend to agree with Ray about New Zealand being the nicest place in Africa, so is Argentina, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Nebraska, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, 90% of Australia, Chilie, the Yukon and NWT,British Columbia, and Alberta.

I have hardly travelled Africa enough to venture a useful opinion, but as the absence of useful knowledge has never held me back in the past, I will join in.

I would vote for Swakopmund, Namibia. It would be like living in Banff, AB or Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

The catch is that African politics can turn on a dime. Today's bucolic paradise is tomorrow's revolutionary hellhole.

quote:

Originally posted by D99:
I would tend to agree with Ray about New Zealand being the nicest place in Africa, so is Argentina, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Nebraska, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, 90% of Australia, Chilie, the Yukon and NWT,British Columbia, and Alberta.

quote:

Originally posted by Bayete:
Does anyone know what it takes to buy land in Zambia, if you are South African by nationality?
Also any info on restrictions to getting a PH license there?

cheers
stj

Hi stj

My immediate family (brother Alan & PH son Dene) have for the past 11 years been operating a very successful owner/opeated (Safari Hunting Business) in Zambia near the (Southern Kafue National Park) region ... Alan's privare ranch is in fact bang on the KNP boundary line very close to the Bilili/Nkala GMA's.

Alan purchased the ranch privately from the previous owner whom was a bit long in tooth to stay there and develop it.

It is not that difficult to get a PH licence once you are a legal investor, the process is done through ZAWA whom controls all wildlife/hunting operations within.

Essentially it is reasonably straight forward to purchase land in Zambia as only around 4% of the land is developed, there are vast tracts of open land.

The first step is to apply through the ZIC (Zambia Investment Center) as they are able to help provide and facilitate all the red tape paper work processes.

The (BIG added bonus) is there are (NO exchange controls) in Zambia for Bona Fide' investors so you can freely move money in and out as you choose. There are also some good tax incentives as well

The EU in fact quasi/guarantees private investement particularily seeing that in recent years they TOTALLY wrote off ALL of ZAMBIA'S foreign debt. Zambia is a fully functioning democracy to all intents and purposes and it is a very nice country with nice people and of course it has the Victoria Falls being one of the wonders of the world.

The climate in our regional area is just wonderful as well, not too hot like the Luangwa Valley, as we are 1000 meters above sea level so cool at night in winter and beautiful warm days

Cheers, Peter

I love Africa and have spent as much time there as about any visitor, but I am always damn glad to get home...the problem with Africa is they have about the worst horses I have ever seen, and poorly trained at that. Nobody ropes, they don't hunt off their horses anymore, it just sucks!

And have you ever seen an African grocery store? Try getting your boat serviced anywhere in Africa.