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07 February 2006, 07:44
Michael RobinsonTeeth
So, what do you think? Size, weight, when, where, how?
The story is even more astonishing than the elephant.
Hint: Mes amis, c'était récemment . . . en fait, c'était l'année dernière!
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:00
T.CarrThe elephant was killed by a poacher's snare around its neck.
Regards,
Terry
Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns]
07 February 2006, 08:01
FjoldSize, weight?
The guy on the left looks about 6'0" and about 200 Lbs and the guy on the right I'd guess at 5'9" and maybe 160 Lbs.
When and where?
From the length of the shadows, I would say it's late afternoon and probably in Africa.
How and an astonishing story?
I dunno, is it a Brokeback Mountain thing?
Frank
"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
- Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953
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07 February 2006, 08:06
N E 450 No2MR
Baised on the Ivory of my elephant, I would have to say that is an 80 to 100 pounder.
I REALLY hope i see two just l ike it in Zimbabwe this March.
Whatever the weight those are two of the best tusks I have seen from a elephant in recient times.
DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY
07 February 2006, 08:06
Michael Robinson: J'en suis désolée. It was shot fair and square by a paying tourist hunter.
Fjold: For an elephant like that, you would do a Brokeback Mountain thing.
N E 450 No 2: You are right in the ballpark. But that long ivory won't be found in Zim.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:08
T.CarrThen what is that thing around its neck?
Regards,
Terry
Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns]
07 February 2006, 08:10
Michael Robinsonquote:
Originally posted by T.Carr:
Then what is that thing around its neck?
Regards,
Terry
An ear.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:14
T.CarrMaybe it is the way I am looking at it, but there appears to be some shiny/metallic object embedded in its neck.
Regards,
Terry
Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns]
07 February 2006, 08:19
Michael RobinsonI see what you mean. But that is an optical illusion.
The elephant was not snared, but was apparently healthy and uninjured until brought to bag by the gentleman on the left, with one well-placed shot.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:21
Hog Killer
I say it was shot in Photo-shop, last night.
Because the right tusk runs past the edge of the photo.
Hog Killer
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07 February 2006, 08:26
N E 450 No2MR it looks like Tanz. Ivory to me.
I have 2 Trophy Bulls on quota this March in Zim. While weight is always a priority, what is really important to me is how the Ivory looks. That Ivory looks great. It has some mass [my tusks are bigger around, but about half as long, they look great too to me] and it has great length.
VERY nice Ivory.
Give us the details.
DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY
07 February 2006, 08:26
Michael Robinson: WRONG! That is merely a technique used by the publisher of the safari company brochure from which the photo was scanned.
Ahhh . . . I am giving away too many hints. Come on now . . . J'attends la réponse correcte. Ahhh . . . another hint . . . !
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:28
Michael Robinson: You are the only hound with his nose to the ground! Correct!
But it is getting late on the East Coast, and I must soon retire. Good luck until morning!
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 08:31
N E 450 No2MR I added to my above post.
DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY
07 February 2006, 08:47
TOP_PREDATORquote:
Mes amis, c'était récemment . . . en fait, c'était l'année dernière!
In English- My friends, it was recently. . . in fact, it was last year!
"Never in the field of human conflict
was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill
07 February 2006, 09:39
SBTWas it killed by J.M.L. or Miombo Safaris in Tanzania?
"There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark
07 February 2006, 13:31
ozhunterNiassa Mozambique?
07 February 2006, 14:17
bulldog563I would say the two average around 90# from TZ. What a beauty.
07 February 2006, 14:18
jbderunzmrlexma,
I think "J'ai gagné" I won
It occured last Year.
This guy is looking like Luc Alphand.
Luc Alphand was a World Champion skier.
He is a rallyeman : he won last month the famous Rallye Raid Paris -Dakar
J B de Runz
Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent
07 February 2006, 14:22
jbderunzNo Lance Armstrong but a superb cyclist.
Was the Rallye Raid Paris-Dakar linked to this hunt?
J B de Runz
Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent
07 February 2006, 16:14
retreeverMike, I am going to say 97 and 88 pounds...
How many saw that big ele head mounted at Dallas?? That came from Zim and had both tusks at over 80 pounds...My ph got it with his client..
However the ivory mounted was longer by about 24 in or a little more...
Huge ele though...
Mike
Michael Podwika... DRSS bigbores and hunting
www.pvt.co.za " MAKE THE SHOT " 450#2 Famars
07 February 2006, 17:09
jbderunzA big tusker was shot last year in Tanzania, about 90 pounds.
The client and the PH are french. The PH is perhaps Nicolas Dubich, wondering if the outfit is not Tanganyka wildlife.
tanganika + Pasanisi
J B de Runz
Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent
07 February 2006, 17:15
Rich ElliottLong but not real thick...Selous ivory?
Rich Elliott
Rich Elliott
Ethiopian Rift Valley Safaris
07 February 2006, 17:24
GraftonIt would be a real trick to snare an elephant like that around the neck. You would need a whole spool of cable or wire just to make the loop big enough!
I would imagine that most elephants caught in snares are caught around the trunk or the feet.
07 February 2006, 21:24
Michael Robinson, vous avez bien gagné! I guess I dropped too many hints—-all in French-—but that was the biggest hint of all.
I should have stipulated that no Frenchmen were eligible, but too late now! Honorable mention to many others . . .
Il n'y a plus des grands éléphants dans le Selous, vous me dîtes? Ecoutez bien. Luc Alphand, a true sportsman in the finest sense of the word, 1997 World Cup Alpine Skiing Champion and lately the 2006 Lisbon—Dakar Raid Rally Driving Champion, took this magnificent elephant, which had 86 pound tusks over seven feet long, in 2005 in the Selous Game Reserve, Tanzania, with PH François de Grossouvre, of Tanganyika Wildlife Safari.
I understand that this was Alphand's first African safari and that he took his elephant with the FIRST bullet fired! Quel type! Quelle bonne chance!
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
07 February 2006, 21:35
Bwanamichquote:
Originally posted by mrlexma:
The story is even more astonishing than the elephant.
Let's hear the story
"...Them, they were Giants!"
J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa
hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset
07 February 2006, 21:42
465H&HT.Carr
I think what you are seeing is a skin fold covered with fresh bood. The fresh blood gives it a shinny look.
465H&H
08 February 2006, 00:25
jbderunzquote:
Originally posted by mrlexma:
Jean Bernard, vous avez bien gagné! I guess I dropped too many hints—-all in French-—but that was the biggest hint of all.
I should have stipulated that no Frenchmen were eligible, but too late now! Honorable mention to many others . . .
Il n'y a plus des grands éléphants dans le Selous, vous me dîtes? Ecoutez bien. Luc Alphand, a true sportsman in the finest sense of the word, 1997 World Cup Alpine Skiing Champion and lately the 2006 Lisbon—Dakar Raid Rally Driving Champion, took this magnificent elephant, which had 86 pound tusks over seven feet long, in 2005 in the Selous Game Reserve, Tanzania, with PH François de Grossouvre, of Tanganyika Wildlife Safari.
I understand that this was Alphand's first African safari and that he took his elephant with the FIRST bullet fired! Quel type! Quelle bonne chance!
Mrlexma,
Your french is very good.
I feel sort of ashamed, sorry. I was not this sure it could be Luc Alphand and I regreet it was almost easy only for me. Sorry
Imagine, this hunt was reported in the december premier french Hunting magazine issue. What is a shame, the censorship, because nobody in France was aware it was a celebrity who shot the ele, the hunter's name was hiden.
I committed an error concerning not the outfit but the PH. Francois de Grossouvre was the PH, not his colleage Nicolas Dubich. Note Francois de Grossouvre is not a full qualified French PH.
The name in itself is puzzling. His parent or relative, same names, was the manager of presidential (royal) hunting territories in France for the President of the Republique, the nefarious Francois Mitterand. It happended this guy was discovered with a bullet in the head in the Presidential palate (like the White house in the states or 10 Downing street in London). The special police annouced it was a suicide??????????? and all the arms, all the archives of the guy were collected by the (special) police and disappeared for ever. Imagine that this very day, FdG would have met an African politician and hunter, and then..........collect his coveted new taylor made rifle at his gunsmith. Who would commit suicide when on the point of getting a marvelous double and meeting sort of a hunt organiser???????????????
By the way, thanks to 500grains, I bought a colleage of F de Grossouvre and Nicolas Dubich in Tanganyka wildlife his Chapuis 470NE.
Thanks for the story, thanks for breaking the PC censorship.
J B de Runz
Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent
08 February 2006, 02:13
retreeverHope his brother visits me in Tananzania in July or August..
I would be more than happy with a 60 pounder....
Mike
Michael Podwika... DRSS bigbores and hunting
www.pvt.co.za " MAKE THE SHOT " 450#2 Famars
08 February 2006, 02:49
Rich ElliottToday a 60 pounder is very good. So good luck!
Rich Elliott
Rich Elliott
Ethiopian Rift Valley Safaris
08 February 2006, 07:16
JJHACKWheres the trunk?
12 February 2011, 11:40
François de Grossouvrequote:
Originally posted by jbderunz:
quote:
Originally posted by mrlexma:
Jean Bernard, vous avez bien gagné! I guess I dropped too many hints—-all in French-—but that was the biggest hint of all.
I should have stipulated that no Frenchmen were eligible, but too late now! Honorable mention to many others . . .
Il n'y a plus des grands éléphants dans le Selous, vous me dîtes? Ecoutez bien. Luc Alphand, a true sportsman in the finest sense of the word, 1997 World Cup Alpine Skiing Champion and lately the 2006 Lisbon—Dakar Raid Rally Driving Champion, took this magnificent elephant, which had 86 pound tusks over seven feet long, in 2005 in the Selous Game Reserve, Tanzania, with PH François de Grossouvre, of Tanganyika Wildlife Safari.
I understand that this was Alphand's first African safari and that he took his elephant with the FIRST bullet fired! Quel type! Quelle bonne chance!
Mrlexma,
Your french is very good.
I feel sort of ashamed, sorry. I was not this sure it could be Luc Alphand and I regreet it was almost easy only for me. Sorry
Imagine, this hunt was reported in the december premier french Hunting magazine issue. What is a shame, the censorship, because nobody in France was aware it was a celebrity who shot the ele, the hunter's name was hiden.
I committed an error concerning not the outfit but the PH. Francois de Grossouvre was the PH, not his colleage Nicolas Dubich. Note Francois de Grossouvre is not a full qualified French PH.
The name in itself is puzzling. His parent or relative, same names, was the manager of presidential (royal) hunting territories in France for the President of the Republique, the nefarious Francois Mitterand. It happended this guy was discovered with a bullet in the head in the Presidential palate (like the White house in the states or 10 Downing street in London). The special police annouced it was a suicide??????????? and all the arms, all the archives of the guy were collected by the (special) police and disappeared for ever. Imagine that this very day, FdG would have met an African politician and hunter, and then..........collect his coveted new taylor made rifle at his gunsmith. Who would commit suicide when on the point of getting a marvelous double and meeting sort of a hunt organiser???????????????
By the way, thanks to 500grains, I bought a colleage of F de Grossouvre and Nicolas Dubich in Tanganyka wildlife his Chapuis 470NE.
Thanks for the story, thanks for breaking the PC censorship.
Dear Members,
I would like to thank first Ahmed Sultan, for telling me about this forum.
Let me please introduce myself, I'm a french professional Hunter, working mainly for Tanganyika Wildlife Safari, since 1999: I was 18 years old when I started to be trained by the Pasanisi team. In 2005 when I guided for this elephant I was a full licensed pro-hunter in Tanzania, and TPHA member, working the all season and sharing my time between CAR and Tanzania.
I don't know Mr de Runz, who wrote this, but in that time he was not well informed, I'm glad I found this message, so I can give you my opinion. The reason he didn't ear much about me me be that I'm hunting with few french people, and that I am very discrete in the hunting medias.
I just arrived from CAR, where I guided for beautiful Giant Eland and Leopard, I'm soon leaving for Argentina for stag hunting, and of course, I'll be back in Tanzania with Tanganyika Wildlife Safari, for the next hunting season, as I did for the last 12 years.
Congratulations for this forum,
François de Grossouvre
12 February 2011, 11:53
François de GrossouvreBy the way, some answers I just read on this subject are really funny, " killed by a poacher", and others. It is amazing to see what people are able to write on a subject that they know nothing about.
This elephant was facing us and the hunter made a perfect brain shot, at 20 or 25 yards. It's not an easy shot, and this was Mr Alphand's first elephant, he was really calm and accurate. Wich makes sense considering what a sportsman he is. The tusks where 2M10, and 1M99 lenght, the heavy one, was 36 KG after drying.
12 February 2011, 14:41
fujotupuquote:
Originally posted by François de Grossouvre:
By the way, some answers I just read on this subject are really funny, " killed by a poacher", and others. It is amazing to see what people are able to write on a subject that they know nothing about.
This elephant was facing us and the hunter made a perfect brain shot, at 20 or 25 yards. It's not an easy shot, and this was Mr Alphand's first elephant, he was really calm and accurate. Wich makes sense considering what a sportsman he is. The tusks where 2M10, and 1M99 lenght, the heavy one, was 36 KG after drying.
Superb elephant - Congratulations!
In Block LL2 maybe ?
12 February 2011, 15:06
François de GrossouvreThank you very much, no it was on the Njenge river, south of our concession. We've been taking many great tuskers since in this part of our area. An elephant hunter coming in this area, at the right time and focusing on elephant, should come back home with a very nice trophy. I guided for two nice tuskers in this part of the concession last season. Every year some elephants like the one we were talking about are taken there.
12 February 2011, 19:02
Aspen Hill AdventuresVery nice bull, what dreams are made of!
~Ann
12 February 2011, 19:39
KPetequote:
Originally posted by François de Grossouvre:
By the way, some answers I just read on this subject are really funny, " killed by a poacher", and others. It is amazing to see what people are able to write on a subject that they know nothing about.
Kermit:
If you had read Michael's original post you would have understood that he was asking people to guess as to the "size, weight, when, where, how" of this hunt.
I know nothing about you apart from what you have written yourself, but I can assure you that many of the members that posted in response to Michael's challenge are quite experienced and know a great deal about the subject of elephant hunting.
As a new member here I suggest you shelve the Gallic attitude and first get to know the people on this board before you pass judgment on them.
Il s'agit d'un éléphant magnifique. Merci et meilleures salutations,
Kim
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12 February 2011, 21:20
Michael RobinsonBienvenue, François.
Kim is correct that this was merely an innocent guessing game that I started here after seeing this magnificent elephant in Tawisa's brochure.
I recognized M. Alphand, and got the story from Eric.
No offense was intended.
Thank you for providing more details of the hunt.
EDITED TO ADD: It is odd how the text accented with diacritical marks degrades into nonsense in these old threads.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
12 February 2011, 21:55
François de GrossouvreThanks for your answers. I didn't mean to be rude, and I'm very curious to discover the forum. I apologize for my wrong judgment.
12 February 2011, 21:58
François de Grossouvrequote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Bienvenue, François.
Kim is correct that this was merely an innocent guessing game that I started here after seeing this magnificent elephant in Tawisa's brochure.
I recognized M. Alphand, and got the story from Eric.
No offense was intended.
Thank you for providing more details of the hunt.
EDITED TO ADD: It is odd how the text accented with diacritical marks degrades into nonsense in these old threads.
Thank you. Did you see the movie of this hunt ?
An elephant like this one is a dream, and my tracker did a great job filming.
