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19 December 2006, 07:48
GWP
Help identify this african head
I got this at an auction many years ago. What is it?





19 December 2006, 07:53
Kyler Hamann
My guess would be Thomson's gazelle but there are lots of people here that should know for sure.

Kyler


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19 December 2006, 08:10
Bill C
Yea, the horns have a gazelleish look to them, hard to judge length from the picture but similar to my Thompson's, however the cape is more of an impala... Must be a hybrid! Big Grin

Not quite the sweep of the puku.

Here's the list to pick from.... http://www.wild-about-you.com/AfricaGame.htm
19 December 2006, 08:22
Matt Norman
Decent Thompson gazelle horns....impala cape, plus some age/dust?
19 December 2006, 09:22
GWP
Re Thompson's Gazelle:

It looks like this from the side:



but does not have a lyre shape like this picture:


19 December 2006, 09:56
RIP
Puku. And a pretty good one, with ratty taxidermy from half a century ago?

Now to find a picture ...


19 December 2006, 13:41
infinito
It is a Tommie and not a Puku.
Badly kept, OLD trophy. Modern taxidermist have new "tricks" to make good trophies, that was not around half a century ago. I have seen similar neglect of trophies that are "old", and they all end up getting that same dull. dirty, look. This would probably be a wife's best argument as to why the trophies should stay out of the house Big Grin

The glands that are prominent on the head(not to mention the horns), tells us it is not a Puku.


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19 December 2006, 16:23
shakari
I don't think it's a tommy - but the colouration and photography are pretty lousy, so identifying it won't be easy..... Rowland Ward list something like 25 types of gazelle, of those a few could be ruled out immediatly. Do you have any info on it at all such as where or when it was taken?

Alternatively, take some better photographs and mail them to the Natural History museum in London who are usually pretty helpful in cases like this. Wink






19 December 2006, 18:17
GWP
My wife will not let this one out of the basement workshop; I count my blessings that it doesn't have to live in the garage.
It didn't look much different when I got it (ratty ear and all) and was bug infested.
I have no information on its identity other than that it was one lot of about 50 or more mounts (some of which were full mounts of large african animals) that belonged to the estate of a hunter that had gone on his last safari about 20 years ago. In less that an hour the entire collection was dispersed.
It wouldn't be an african cousin of a jackalope, would it?
19 December 2006, 18:29
Rich Elliott
I think the horns are too thick to be a Thompson's Gazelle. I think it's a small Grants Gazelle that's spent many, many years hung over a smoky fireplace. Wink
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19 December 2006, 18:52
oupa
I'd guess a big tommy or small grants but also surmise it spent many years around smoke (cigar and/or cigarette) and dust. I've seen this same effect on some otherwise fine old trophies. THE reason I finally gave in to my wife's rule of not smoking in the main house - don't want to harm my trophies! Cool


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19 December 2006, 22:57
cewe
My first thought was puku...


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20 December 2006, 02:37
Grafton
At first I was sure it was a Thompson's gazelle. Now after looking at some books I think it may be a Mongalla gazelle. An old book I have says that it is (was) found in Uganda and in the area from western Ethiopia to the White Nile in the Sudan. The book says that the Mongalla gazelle has a white patch on the forehead in front of the horns. You can see this in the photos above.

It needs a new cape!
good luck with that!

Also GWP, the second live picture that you posted above is a female springbok.


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20 December 2006, 03:20
GWP
I guess you can't trust the Internet. I got it at the following URL: http://www.junglewalk.com/animal-pictures/200/Thompsons-Gazelle-761.jpg

BTW, the horns are just over a foot long and about 4 3/4" wide at the top.
20 December 2006, 07:52
RIP
More pretty pictures.

Uganda kob:


Grant's gazelle:

20 December 2006, 08:40
Kyler Hamann
The cape in this condition doesn't seem to have the right coloration for any extant gazelle, so that isn't much help. Even if it was a transplanted impala cape there should be some coloration differences.

I felt it was a Thomson's because of the slight curve back from the head of the horns when they first leave the head.

The kob and puku curve back more sharply than this one.

I don't know what an immature Grant's looks like but as they get older the horns widen away from each other.

The only picture I've seen of a Mongolian gazelle didn't curve back from the head hardly at all... going almost straight up from the head at an angle rather than a radius.

I'm still guessing Thomson's.

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20 December 2006, 09:43
RIP
Thomsons gazelle with a sun bleached, smoke discolored skin, or a donor cape from another critter, does make the most sense.

Range of mature 10" to 17" horns on the male Tommie make the 12" horns of the wallhanger a so-so.

Or a mutant "X-gazelle." Wink

Thompson's/Thomson's/Thomsons/Tommie 50 pounds on the hoof would be a big one, no?:


20 December 2006, 15:29
infinito
[QUOTE]

Or a mutant "X-gazelle." Wink

[QUOTE]


clap

It's an old, not well stuffed, badly looked after Tommie!


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20 December 2006, 22:18
TerryR
Lechewe?
21 December 2006, 00:50
butchloc
hilary at her best clap
21 December 2006, 03:20
Aspen Hill Adventures
Looks like an old, old, OLD Tommy to me!


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