A Friend of A Friend Murdered on Their KZN Farm

04 April 2017, 20:53

Opus1

As has been discussed several times, SA is no more dangerous than Chicago, Detroit or St Louis. Probably not a great idea to wander about alone, but with your PH or someone clued in, your chances of a problem are low.

BuffHunter - There are a surprising number of SA blacks who agree with you.

04 April 2017, 22:19

Balule

quote:
Originally posted by FFemtRN5287:
This has me a bit concerned for my hunt booked this september...

You are going to have a wonderful hunt in a very good hunting country.

When in public areas don't look either rich or touristy and be aware of your surroundings.

There is a lot of problems and dangers but millions of people go on with their daily lives over here - work, school, sport and such. Your PH will look out for you.

05 April 2017, 01:03

Fjold

quote:
Originally posted by FFemtRN5287:
This has me a bit concerned for my hunt booked this september...

Once you're out of the bigger cities, it's not the hunting camps that have to worry. It's the isolated farms with lone families that are the targets.

05 April 2017, 02:02

GunsCore

Zimbabwe supersized.

05 April 2017, 06:28

Gale Johnson

Maybe we can take up a collection of old 870's and a case of buckshot for each family. If it saved one life I would feel pretty good about it. I read some of the article's and if true these criminals are a new breed of sick.

05 April 2017, 08:12

fulvio

quote:
There is a lot of problems and dangers but millions of people go on with their daily lives over here - work, school, sport and such. Your PH will look out for you.

When in such a situation I doubt there are many options other than to go with the flow and keep looking over your shoulder.

And while there may be millions of people out and about it is only a small percentage that will be the likely target, a percentage consisting of: the wealthy, who fall victim to robbery, possibly with violence and the politically motivated atrocities which seem to target the farming and land-owning community that are taking place with alarming regularity.

05 April 2017, 10:17

DCS Member

Also, dress in non-hunting clothes while traveling.

05 April 2017, 20:40

BuffHunter63

I would not hesitate to hunt RSA. Most PHs and outfitters are very savvy about getting their clients in and out without risk of being robbed or shot during an armed robbery.

Just like Chicago, Detroit, etc, tourists are often more at risk because they don't know which areas are safe and which areas are dangerous.

I live in the Denver metro area and there are some areas that I will only go to in the daytime (preferably early morning) and even then I generally carry (I have a CCW permit).

Enjoy your hunt and remember "adventure without some risk is not real adventure".

BH63

07 April 2017, 04:37

Russ Gould

quote:
SA is no more dangerous than Chicago, Detroit or St Louis

actually it's more dangerous than Iraq was during the height of the war. the murder rate is, I believe, the highest in the world. "hunting camps" and "farms" are one and the same thing in RSA. the only difference is the high fence which makes little difference to a determined criminal. the problem is the police force is now inept and corrupt. there are plenty of illegals in RSA, plenty of unemployed locals, plenty of guns circulating, and some scores to settle. on the contrary, Zimbabwe has very little violent crime even though they have many of the same economic problems. the difference is the scores have already been largely settled in Zim, and they were never that great to begin with.

Namibia is in better shape and would be wonderful except for the Marxist influence. No problems hunting there, it's probably the best choice for all round hunting now.

There is only one sane country in southern africa, possibly all of africa, and that is Botswana. While there is no concession hunting ie DG hunting at the moment, there is still ranch hunting and it's generally excellent. I don't understand why more people don't go to Botswana.

07 April 2017, 08:51

Venture South

Frank. We drove past the farm on our way to the hunting area. He was an old boy of the My senior school. Sad day.
Just out of interest his family used to own half of the concession we hunted. They have all moved away due to the melt down.

07 April 2017, 09:10

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
quote:
SA is no more dangerous than Chicago, Detroit or St Louis

actually it's more dangerous than Iraq was during the height of the war. the murder rate is, I believe, the highest in the world. "hunting camps" and "farms" are one and the same thing in RSA. the only difference is the high fence which makes little difference to a determined criminal. the problem is the police force is now inept and corrupt. there are plenty of illegals in RSA, plenty of unemployed locals, plenty of guns circulating, and some scores to settle. on the contrary, Zimbabwe has very little violent crime even though they have many of the same economic problems. the difference is the scores have already been largely settled in Zim, and they were never that great to begin with.

Namibia is in better shape and would be wonderful except for the Marxist influence. No problems hunting there, it's probably the best choice for all round hunting now.

There is only one sane country in southern africa, possibly all of africa, and that is Botswana. While there is no concession hunting ie DG hunting at the moment, there is still ranch hunting and it's generally excellent. I don't understand why more people don't go to Botswana.

+1

South Africa is criminal dangerous

Zim is a failed state but safe for tourist hunters

Nambia - I hve no idea and won't go comment

Botswana is crazy safe - I have done stuff with local police in Botswana (taking over a traffic speed stop) I would never do in USA.

Hunt Botswana for plains game is my recommendation

Mike

07 April 2017, 09:23

BaxterB

If my memory serves me right, Botswana still has a mandatory death sentence for murder - and lots of rope.

08 April 2017, 01:50

dande_jack

The Shona in Zim are a pretty peaceful people for the most part. The Hosha are a different story, violent, and hate whites.S.A. is no longer p place for the white man

09 April 2017, 05:11

JDA-CO

Sad to say, but my Africa days are probably over. I'm still young (44) but unless things change dramatically, I'll likely not go again. If they do change, I'd love to go back. It's a place of true beauty!

For now I've got my sights set on going back to south America and Australia. Lots of things still on my list in those countries!

Jim

09 April 2017, 07:31

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by dande_jack:
The Shona in Zim are a pretty peaceful people for the most part. The Hosha are a different story, violent, and hate whites.S.A. is no longer p place for the white man

IIRC Mugabe is Shona and his party/tribe are anything but peaceful. If you doubt this, ask the folks in Matebele country around Bulawayo and the Matopos hills.i have never heard of the Hosha tribe in Zim.

10 April 2017, 02:43

Tetachuck

quote:
Originally posted by Venture South:
Frank. We drove past the farm on our way to the hunting area. He was an old boy of the My senior school. Sad day.
Just out of interest his family used to own half of the concession we hunted. They have all moved away due to the melt down.

It appears that we went to the same school.

10 April 2017, 04:25

ledvm

Friend from RSA sent me this...don't know the source but agree with it.

Words from this Professor of Economics in the Czech Republic, who had the following to say about SOUTH AFRICA:

"The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

I said basically the same thing when we elected 0bama.

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10 April 2017, 04:47

LR3

Very true and unfortunately confirmed by the idiots supporting Zuma saying they don't care about Gorgham firing, fall of the rand, and down grading to junk status. They hope to make money from the trillion rand nuclear power building spree. And I m sure the Russians will give the a good deal and timely completion !? it does not look like the Xhosa non Zulu wing of ANC can stop it. Cry the beloved country..with the switch of roles.

10 April 2017, 04:55

LR3

Ps. I had my best friend highjacked and murdered, two class mates, (3 out of 26) and multiple friends and family attacked but survived. And they lived in good neighborhoods.

The calculation of some 340,000 murders including 70,000 whites is probably reasonably accurate, sadly.

But I return once or twice a year, stay away from bad areas, and spend time hunting or in game reserves. Agree Zim, Boties and Namibia are much safer. Last year had a great time hunting in Namibia but this year it will be SA

10 April 2017, 22:08

Victor Watson

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Friend from RSA sent me this...don't know the source but agree with it.

Words from this Professor of Economics in the Czech Republic, who had the following to say about SOUTH AFRICA:

"The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

I said basically the same thing when we elected 0bama.

Our political system in SA is very different than in the USA. The citizens vote for a party and the president of the country is elected by the party. You don't vote for a man. He got in through the back door.

10 April 2017, 23:38

Victor Watson

The hope is that the ANC vote with the opposition in a no confidence vote next Tuesday. If the constitutuonal court allows a secret ballot in the no confidence vote Zuma is finished. The next 8 days are potentially the most important in SA's political history.

11 April 2017, 00:43

Safaris Botswana Bound

Zuma is blaming the whites for the protests and saying the protestors carried signs referring blacks to monkeys , it is all aimed at distracting the theft and corruption but it is also inciting violence on whites much the way Mugabe did in Zim , the only way to counter this is to continue to build on the international pressure to out him and his cronies , all concerned people need to write to their senators and express concern for the white genocide in South Africa and the President Zuma inciting more violence on people who oppose him.

11 April 2017, 20:54

BuffHunter63

quote:
Originally posted by dande_jack:
The Shona in Zim are a pretty peaceful people for the most part. The Hosha are a different story, violent, and hate whites.S.A. is no longer p place for the white man

I hunted southeast Zim last year and met quite a few Ndebele people. They were some of the nicest and most skilled people I have ever met.

One kind man, who was was working at a gold mine, even offered to share his meager lunch with me.

Compared to the blacks I've met in Jamaica and many inner-cities of the USA, the Ndebele are some of the most decent people I've ever met.

BH63

11 April 2017, 22:22

Pa.Frank

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Friend from RSA sent me this...don't know the source but agree with it.

Words from this Professor of Economics in the Czech Republic, who had the following to say about SOUTH AFRICA:

"The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

I said basically the same thing when we elected 0bama.

AGREE! Kinda like democrats, isn't it?

11 April 2017, 23:41

Rookhawk

I've been in Zim 40 days in the past two years, it will be 60 days in past two years come late April.

Ignoring politics and crimes done against rivals, the Shona and Matabele people of Zimbabwe are predominantly peaceful. Their vices are reminiscent of Mexico 30 years ago...poor people that were mostly happy and found their way to make ends meet was by demanding small tips and bribes. ($10 ticket, etc.)

That is different and always has been different than Xhosa and Zulu of South Africa that were warriors. Zim is pastoral, RSA is warrior class. That alone results in different ways of dealing with one another

Zimbabwe is a great place to hunt.