Which scope?

01 October 2006, 17:03

Tanoose

Which scope?

I will be buying a 375 H&H or RUM this winter and was planning on using a Leupold VX-III in 1.5x5x20mm but i know see that zeiss has nadded to there conquest line a 1.8x5.5x38. With the powers near the same can you guys give me your opinions on weather to go with the 20mm or the 38mm.which would be the better for dangerous game.

01 October 2006, 17:07

Uglystick

I just put a Leupold VX III 1.75X6 on my 375H&H

I like it

01 October 2006, 17:40

Die Ou Jagter

I like the Leupold 1X4 on my 375.

01 October 2006, 17:56

Collins

Question from a non hunter...
Why not this? It's indestructable, 1-3 power illuminated reticle and designed by Leupold for the most dangerous of game.

Product Highlights
The Leupold Mark 4 1-3x14mm CQ/T is a revolutionary optical sight for tactical firearms such as the AR-15 and M16. Developed in cooperation with both the U.S. military and law enforcement agencies, the Mark 4 CQ/T combines the strengths of a red dot sight and a variable power riflescope. Incredibly tough, 100 percent waterproof, and devastatingly accurate, only the Mark 4 CQ/T is ready and able to handle the variety of close-contact
situations common to both law enforcement and the military.

Product Specifications
Actual Magnification: 1.0 - 2.9
Length (in): 8.8
Eyepiece Length (in): 3.0
Objective Length (in): n/a
Objective Diameter (in): 1.2
Eyepiece Diameter (in): 1.5
Tube Diameter (in): 2.9
Weight: 17.5 oz. / 496 grams
Eye Relief (in): 2.0 - 2.8
Eye Relief (mm): 51 - 71
Objective Clear Aperture: 0.6in / 14mm
Elevation Adjustment Range (MOA): 80
Windage Adjustment Range (MOA): 80
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 116.6 - 84.3
FOV @ 100 m (m): 38.9 - 28.1

01 October 2006, 18:33

Eterry

While I have never hunted dangerous game, I would opt for the Zeiss with its slightly higher magnification and larger diameter objective(?). It should give you a better field of view, in my opinion. I think that many times people go with too large a scope for hunting, but I don't think that 1.8-5.5x38 mm is too much, even for something that could bite, stomp, gore or otherwise hurt you.

Good luck and good shooting,

Eterry

01 October 2006, 18:37

Karl S

I'm not a Leupold fan, so I would opt for the Zeiss. Better yet, buy a 1.25-4x24 Swarrovski or Schmidt & Bender.

01 October 2006, 18:44

MARK H. YOUNG

Tanoose,

A 375 in any flavor is an all around rifle that is adaequate for almost anything and I think it deserves a scope to match. The 1.5x5 is very popular but in my opinion lacks the upper end power for the occasional long shot and at 5 it is severely lacking in light gathering power. I think the 1.75x6 Leupold is about ideal with perfectly adequate low end FOV, enough power for a longer shot and great light gathering at 6x. I'm not familiar with the 1.8x5.5 Zeiss but check the eye relief as often Euro scopes are lacking in thatdepartment.

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01 October 2006, 21:20

308Sako

Schmidt & Bender 1.5 X 6 X 42, Bright and built.

01 October 2006, 22:37

Bryan Chick

Well, I have a zeiss 1.5-6x42 vm/v on my 375 and I don't think that you can beat it. I have yet to shoot anything over 150yds with it and keep the power setting on 3 power- any more seems to magnify the wobble.

01 October 2006, 23:27

Saeed

We have been using the Leupold 2.5-8 on both our 375/404 rifles now for years.

Both rifles have been on several African hunts, and used and liked by all the hunters who have used them.

Persobally, I do not like low power scopes, that is why I went to the 2.5-8x.

01 October 2006, 23:42

ErikD

quote:
Originally posted by Tanoose:
which would be the better for dangerous game.

Since you ask about dangerous game, I would say you should have a look at a Schmidt&Bender 1.1-4x24 with an illuminated reticle (Which of course works just like a normal scope when it's turned off). I bought one this spring, and besides using open sights for big game up close, I think this scope would be optimal for DG. The FOV is so wide that it's virtually like using open sights when it's set to 1.1.

01 October 2006, 23:43

RIP

I have loved the Leupold 2.5-8X Vari-X III on all my .375's for over 20 years, and it was my favorite long before I learned that Saeed was wise enough to favor it.

My last two acquired were matte black, one with a mildot reticle, and another with a Boone&Crockett reticle. All the others are Leupold Standard Duplex.

I have never had a problem with one of those scopes, and they have served me well from KY to AK and Botswana.

They are the wisest of choices for a .375 whether you are prince or pauper.

What other scope has all this: thoroughly versatile power range, light weight and compact, excellent eye relief, rugged, and optically as good as you'll ever need.

02 October 2006, 00:48

army aviator

quote:
Originally posted by Collins:
Question from a non hunter...
Why not this? It's indestructable, 1-3 power illuminated reticle and designed by Leupold for the most dangerous of game.

Product Highlights
The Leupold Mark 4 1-3x14mm CQ/T is a revolutionary optical sight for tactical firearms such as the AR-15 and M16. Developed in cooperation with both the U.S. military and law enforcement agencies, the Mark 4 CQ/T combines the strengths of a red dot sight and a variable power riflescope. Incredibly tough, 100 percent waterproof, and devastatingly accurate, only the Mark 4 CQ/T is ready and able to handle the variety of close-contact
situations common to both law enforcement and the military.

Product Specifications
Actual Magnification: 1.0 - 2.9
Length (in): 8.8
Eyepiece Length (in): 3.0
Objective Length (in): n/a
Objective Diameter (in): 1.2
Eyepiece Diameter (in): 1.5
Tube Diameter (in): 2.9
Weight: 17.5 oz. / 496 grams
Eye Relief (in): 2.0 - 2.8
Eye Relief (mm): 51 - 71
Objective Clear Aperture: 0.6in / 14mm
Elevation Adjustment Range (MOA): 80
Windage Adjustment Range (MOA): 80
FOV @ 100 yds (ft): 116.6 - 84.3
FOV @ 100 m (m): 38.9 - 28.1

Eye relief 2.0-2.8 Oh, that is going to hurt.

02 October 2006, 01:12

zimbabwe

I was looking at all the Schmidt& Bender line from the distributor Thursday and the 1.5x4(?) with the dangerous game illuminated reticle was by far the best scope I've ever seen. 30mm tube plenty of length to fit any action and bright beyond belief. Only one MINOR problem for me. The price is $1800. I will probably stick with the 1.5x5 VXIII's and the Swarovski 1.5x4 that I have. But if I had the price I WOULD have one of the Schmidt & Bender's. The 6 x 24 (?) big tube model was the best longrange scope I've seen other than a Unertl. Reticle was a little busy for me. They are fine scopes if money is no object.

02 October 2006, 01:16

army aviator

quote:
Originally posted by Tanoose:
I will be buying a 375 H&H or RUM this winter and was planning on using a Leupold VX-III in 1.5x5x20mm but i know see that zeiss has nadded to there conquest line a 1.8x5.5x38. With the powers near the same can you guys give me your opinions on weather to go with the 20mm or the 38mm.which would be the better for dangerous game.

I think the new Zeiss has a constant 4" of eye relief. They built it for dangerous game. I put a 30mm 1.5x4x20mm(1.25x3.9) Leupold Euro model on my 376 Steyr with low Talley mounts and I can still see the front site in the scope at 2.5 to 3 power. I think I will change it to a little more power and a little longer scope which should improve this problem. Leupold also has several other Euro models including 2x7x33mm. Actual Mag is 2.5x6.5". Weight is 11.7ozs. Length is 11.1". Eye relief is 4.2"(2x) 3.7(7x). FOV is 42.2"(2x) and 17.3"(7x). Max ring spacing is 5.1". You can get it with a heavy reticle for quick shooting in dim light. Burris now has a 2x7x35mm scope that might work or least it could be a good back up scope. It has a little less advertised eye relief. Hope this helps.

02 October 2006, 01:42

gerrys375

Tanoose:

This one time hunter for DG (buff) is going to rush in where angels fear to tread!

I used a Kahles 1.4 x4.5 on a 375 H&H. However my first choice had been a Zeiss (I honestly have forgotten the power, maybe 1.5 x 4.5 -the rifle was stolen and I had to replace it and couldn't get a Zeiss in time before my trip) The Kahles scope worked just great (I fired perhaps nearly a thousand rounds with it before I ever saw Africa) I fired at my buff at perhaps 35 yards. I was very experienced at using a scope in North American woods where magnification was less important than field of view - to pick up a moving target. What I guess I want to say is that what scope you want to use depends on what kind of target you intend to shoot at -and at what range and whether moving or not. That's just my thoughts.

02 October 2006, 01:51

cnm123

I was on a very tight budget and used a Sightron s2 1.75x-6x 42mm on my 375h&h and my 416 Rigby. I have fired well over 1000 rounds out of the 375 and the scope has held up with no adjustments needed. The eye relief is 4"+ and at low power the field of view is awesome. I can shoot the scope at low power with both eyes open. For $213.00 i thought it represented a very good value.

02 October 2006, 01:52

Use Enough Gun

I have two .375 H&H Model 70's with which I have shot elephant, cape buffalo, rhino, lion, croc and hippo, as well as a number of plains game. I have two Leupold scopes on those two rifles, one a 1.75 X 6 and the other a 2 X 8. Both are Vari-X III's. I have not had a single problem with either one of them in my many hunts. Either one would serve you well.

02 October 2006, 03:20

RIP

quote:
Originally posted by cnm123:
I was on a very tight budget and used a Sightron s2 1.75x-6x 42mm on my 375h&h and my 416 Rigby. I have fired well over 1000 rounds out of the 375 and the scope has held up with no adjustments needed. The eye relief is 4"+ and at low power the field of view is awesome. I can shoot the scope at low power with both eyes open. For $213.00 i thought it represented a very good value.

I have had great luck with several Sightron scopes also, including a 4x-16x with Mildot reticle that has stood up to a 500A2 Ruger No.1.

My latest Sightron is a 1.75x-6x that will get a trial by fire soon, maybe on a 10 pound 500 Mbogo.

Gossip is that the lenses in Leupold and Sightron are made by the same Japanese supplier.

I do have one Schmidt&Bender, but I am happier with a Leupold or a Sightron, as long as I do not have to impress anyone else, besides me, myself, and I.

02 October 2006, 03:43

Larry Sellers

Just put a Leopold 1.75 x 6 VariX III on my new .404 Jeffery CZ. While I don't have a lot of rounds under it yet, all seems to be pointing towards the right choice. My .375 sports the same scope and have experienced nothing but good from it as well. And besides I can put all those extra dollars I saved over the Euro's towards the next African adventure.

Larry Sellers

02 October 2006, 04:24

RIP

That 1.75x-6E 36mm Leupold is a great scope. I resorted to that one when I needed a little more scope ring spacing room than the 2.5x-8x allowed.

That one ought to be all you need on any scoped DGR from .375 on up.

02 October 2006, 04:43

mstarling

I have a Chapuis 9,3x74R double rifle that came with a 1.5-6x42 Schmidt and Bender. Lovely scope ... can't imagine a better one, but I could not afford another so my .416 wears a Leupold 1.5-5x IR scope. Has lived there very happily through two African hunts and has killed Gemsbock, Hartebeast and Cape Buffalo.

My .375 H&H M70 SS Classic wears a 3-9x40 MC Zeiss Conquest as it gets pressed into service for longer ranges on multiple species.

These scopes I can vouche for. They all do well. They all work for the purpose. The most fundamental question becomes how much do you want to invest in a scope.

02 October 2006, 05:38

RIP

Dang straight we like to save some money, but we also prefer the better performance of a Leupold:

Better eye relief, and lighter, so more likely to maintain zero, or less likely to work loose or shear screws on a kicker, thus more rugged and dependable than the high dollar Euro's. And that Lifetime warranty from Leupold is reassuring. They won't stay in business if they have to fix or replace very many of them.

02 October 2006, 12:25

N E 450 No2

The Leupold CQT is designed for an AR 223. The eye relief is not suitable for a 375. It ois a great scope for a 223 however.

For a 375 I like a scope in the 1 to 6x range for Africa or maybe a 2 to 8x for all round US use.
A Leupold 1.5x5, 1.75-6x, 2.5-8x, Swarovski 1.5-6X, or a S&B 1.1-4x would all work great.

02 October 2006, 17:00

Maine Woods

I know this is a bit of thread hijacking

But I have a Leupold VX III 1.75 X 6 as new with box in the classifieds right now ( I think it is a good price )

02 October 2006, 20:19

geese

I'm finding it very hard to believe that no-one's mentioned Bushnell. They are putting out some exceptional optics, and the Elite 4200's are rated for 10,000 rounds of .375 H&H, so they can take the recoil. They also offer great eye relief.

Depending on what you're after, you'd save enough for trophy fees on at least a few head of PG, compared to what you'd spend on a "name". IMO

02 October 2006, 20:27

jorge

No one's mentioned Bushnell because they are not known for their ability to hold up under heavy recoil, their own advertising notwithstanding. Come to thinkof it, I don't thnk I've heard them mentioned at all here on the African forum. Leupold has a {sic} "name" because they've established a stellar reputation for durability and value, just like the Euros have for good optical fidelity. jorge

02 October 2006, 22:30

geese

Hmmm...Very well then.

Guess I'll have to let everyone know how mine do when I get back...if, ZIM can hold out a bit longer.

Here's to hopin'.

02 October 2006, 22:56

jorge

It'll be fine. Take a spare, no matter what brand scope you use. Good luck! jorge

02 October 2006, 23:57

cable68

I've got a Leup VXIII on my M70 375; it was the scope already on it (bought it used).

I'm thinking of getting one of those new Bushnells as a spare. Wouldn't want to spend that much money on a backup.

03 October 2006, 01:13

TheBigGuy

From what I here the bushnell elites aren't nearly as recoil sensitive as their other models. So you probably have nothing to worry about Geese.

However, Jorge's advice is sound, a spare is a good idea.

03 October 2006, 18:54

geese

Thanks. Yup, I'll have two rifles, two scopes, and the .416 has open sights. 'Long as I have some solids (and my guns get there with me), should have the bases covered.

04 October 2006, 03:10

Tim Carney

Also go with Leupold and that's what's on my .375 Dakota left hand. Need a combination of adequate light gathering, and no big front bell so the scope can fit as low on the rifle as geometry permits 'cause you want it stocked to use iron sights when necessary. Regards