If I am looking at the correct info Zim requires 5300 Joules and Namibia uses 5400 Joules as minimum.
I have been looking at the 375 flanged and 450-400 and wanted to see if the 375 flanged met the requirements for DG. The Kynoch load is right at minimum with other ammo makers offerings right under the limit for Zim. It doesn't make minimum in Namibia.
Out of curiosity I looked at the 450-400 Hornady load and it misses by an uncomfortable margin. It converts to 5059 joules if I did this right. So to my question. Am I missing something or is these minimums correct? If so why was there thought on the 450-400 when these rules were made?
Help me out, surely I am missing something here

Blaserguy, the Namibian minmimum is actually for buffalo only, and is 5400 J or 3979 ft/lbs. The Zim minmimum was 5300 but I think they brought it down to 5000J.

So your 450/400 will make it.

So if you were building a 450-400 Witt the thought of using it in Namibia then you would not want to have it regulated for the Hornady offering. It would have to be regulated with a load like Kynoch offers to be legal as it seams to meet the requirement. In Namibia the 375 Flanged would be out.

Zimbabwe dropped the minimum energy to 5000j in 2000...mainly because the officer responsible for such legislation always used a 9,3x62

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Originally posted by Blaserguy:
So if you were building a 450-400 Witt the thought of using it in Namibia then you would not want to have it regulated for the Hornady offering. It would have to be regulated with a load like Kynoch offers to be legal as it seams to meet the requirement. In Namibia the 375 Flanged would be out.

You are seriously over thinking this one.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Blaserguy:
So if you were building a 450-400 Witt the thought of using it in Namibia then you would not want to have it regulated for the Hornady offering. It would have to be regulated with a load like Kynoch offers to be legal as it seams to meet the requirement. In Namibia the 375 Flanged would be out.

You are seriously over thinking this one.

+1. 9.3x74R and above with good use,

I just wanted the specifics.
If I am using a gun or spending good money to build a gun I want to know the legal parameters of the cartridges I might use. In Africa common sense and logic doesn't always come into play that is why I asked.
I appreciate the helpful info by those that responded to the actual question with a direct answer as I am not looking for opinions as I can make up my own mind

Blaserguy, get an R8 Safari package with the 500 Jeffery barrel and quit worrying about it! :-)

Biebs

Biebs my neck can't handle the recoil anymore or I might

Blaserguy, on face value, no they do not make the cut for buffalo IN NAMIBIA, but a .300 Weatherby does... Guess which one I would like my clients to carry...
I personally think the 450/400 is about THE best caliber double for clients.

As an interseting aside, Namibia is changing the law, so I would not worry too much about it. Also, if you reload SOME with lighter faster bullets, you have a few around if anyone ever shows up in a hunting camp to come and check on this minimum... With a cronograph...

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Originally posted by Blaserguy:
I am not looking for opinions as I can make up my own mind

Evidently not!

Now Todd, that was funny!


Dutch

Arrogance is not in short supply here

Neither is ignorance!

You asked a stupid question to be honest. I tried to advise you that your concerns were unfounded. Evidently you didn't like the answer. So be it.

Have a nice day now!

I asked a question you didn't lIke so you had two choices
keep quiet or open your mouth and add nothing of importance. The Law is the Law so excuse me for trying to verify facts. The question was if I understood the laws in question and what was the specific laws. Plain and simple.
This board has some good information at times but stepping through all the manure ain't worth trying to find the horse sometimes

Look Blaserguy,

You are stressing about whether to have your rifle regulated with Hornady or Kynoch ammunition based on a couple of extra fps velocity in order to achieve an arbitrary energy level. That is bordering on tilting at windmills!! As Karl alluded to, no one is going to show up in camp and ask you to shoot over a chronograph in order to establish how many kilijoules your particular load is generating.

You asked the question and I gave you an honest answer, not a rude answer. My answer was that you are creating an issue where none exists by over thinking the question. The first rude remark was you stating that you did not want opinions, when you clearly asked

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Am I missing something or is these minimums correct? If so why was there thought on the 450-400 when these rules were made? Help me out, surely I am missing something here

Not withstanding the fact that your grammer and punctuation is a bit lacking in forming the two questions and one statement above, you DID ask for opinions. Don't get upset when they are answered! Bottom line here is that there are widely accepted calibers across Africa today for use on Dangerous Game. Both the 375 FL and the 450-400 fall squarely into that category. Are they my favorites, no; but they certainly fit the bill for minimum acceptable on DG.

When considering the necessity to "step through the manure" on this forum to get to legitimate answers, you should consider whether or not the advocation of regulating a rifle with one brand of ammunition over the other to gain a few fps and therefore reach an arbitrary energy level, which no one cares about, especially when the caliber has a long standing acceptance, is piling on the manure in the first place! I think so!!

With all of 21 posts and seeing how quickly you go negative, it appears to me that you are more than likely represented by more than one screen name here. This will be my last response to you as I believe you are nothing more than a troll, trolling for a fight over some obscure information that matters to no one. I have a feeling I know exactly who you are and it will not be long before the more profane responses begin. Good day to you!

I asked the question to find out if The 375 flanged or the 450-400 met legal requirements in Zim or Namibia. I took objection as I was not looking for permitting for validity or merit of my post. Sure it is splitting hairs but when I asked a Zim PH at the DSC about the legality of the 375 flanged he thought it wasn't legal. When I asked the same question of a Namibian PH he never heard of the cartridge. I do concern myself with legalities so I do take objection if my question does seem stupid to those that like to beat down those on here they differ with. I never asked For oppinions just facts of legalilty. That's why I have so few posts here. As far as the 450-400 I am still undecided if to go this route and if I do I might as well regulate with the legal load.
My neck problem required me to get rid of my 470 so a proper cartridge is out of the question.
As to the troll comment. If that makes you feel better then so be it.
Controlling personalities usually object when you don't get their approval first anyway

Just me, but if I had a question about hunting in Namibia and Karl Stumpfe answered it, I would pretty much consider that one answered...

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Just me, but if I had a question about hunting in Namibia and Karl Stumpfe answered it, I would pretty much consider that one answered...

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Armbar.

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Originally posted by Blaserguy:
Biebs my neck can't handle the recoil anymore or I might

Then use the 375 and be done with it.

If you think African field staff can understand statutory instruments on caliber restrictions ...hand over your drivers license upside down and see how few turn it over.

Mr X who writes for African Hunter had his government ID printed with a photo of his dog in place of his own picture...in 31 years nobody has noticed

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