Calling Out Fairgame (Andrew Baldry)

22 April 2024, 00:39

505 gibbs

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
No, it wasn’t in your link, go back and read it again.

“Mr Jines selling something indicates I received a payment does it not? Dunno what you mean by standing by the hunt and all participants have or are currently being refunded which is the honorable thing to do by the Operator and that is why I will book with and support him again”

Ya, I read it, that’s a conditional statement. The assumption of an honest man would be that if the refund didn’t occur, he doesn’t support him.

Here’s a hypothetical question, if Andrew had the opportunity to book a hunt through Ibi that facilitated Corey being paid back, what would you say then? I remember my dad telling us as boys, “you little shits would argue over who gets hung with the newer rope”

22 April 2024, 01:16

Hasher

Your argument holds no water.

Fuck game as I will now call him would never step up to the plate like that.

You might as well ask what if he wins the lottery.

22 April 2024, 07:56

Saeed

Ibi should remember that old saying.

When you are in deep shit, stop digging!

22 April 2024, 08:54

Hasher

+10000000000

22 April 2024, 16:57

dogcat

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Ibi should remember that old saying.

When you are in deep shit, stop digging!

Applies as much or more to Baldry....he is the one in this mess and shoulders some of the blame....

22 April 2024, 17:33

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Ibi should remember that old saying.

When you are in deep shit, stop digging!

Applies as much or more to Baldry....he is the one in this mess and shoulders some of the blame....

How sad you are having a go at a victim!

Ibi is the crook.

He had sunk lower levels by threatening the client, HIS VICTIM!

22 April 2024, 17:49

dogcat

Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

22 April 2024, 21:28

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by Hasher:
Your argument holds no water.

Fuck game as I will now call him would never step up to the plate like that.

You might as well ask what if he wins the lottery.

So we are now down to profanities?

22 April 2024, 21:46

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

Please explain complicit in detail. We have done the Ponzi scheme, embezzlement, pay Peter to pay Paul, finders fee, commissions, editing posts, etc yet not one string of evidence to support these accusations

And Hasher if you want to call me a Fuck on AR go for it but that is not the spirit of this Forum

22 April 2024, 22:46

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by Hasher:
Your argument holds no water.

Fuck game as I will now call him would never step up to the plate like that.

You might as well ask what if he wins the lottery.

So we are now down to profanities?

Hey Pal, you are the one who started the profanities ... remember? If not, see the link below where you told me to go fuck myself earlier in this thread:

https://forums.accuratereloadi...441035672#1441035672

22 April 2024, 23:00

dogcat

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

Please explain complicit in detail. We have done the Ponzi scheme, embezzlement, pay Peter to pay Paul, finders fee, commissions, editing posts, etc yet not one string of evidence to support these accusations

And Hasher if you want to call me a Fuck on AR go for it but that is not the spirit of this Forum

Andrew,
I have outlined this several times on this thread.
I will type slowly so you can read this... again...

You sold the hunt. You sent CME to Ibi. You told CME where to send the money. You acted on Ibi's behalf by selling the hunt. When the concession was lost, you did not see to it that CME got his money. You claim to have influence and are working hard to get the money back, but none of that has happened. You are complicit. Period.

This is all by your admission. What more facts are needed?

Get CME his money and this is sorted. In the meantime, you have lost a lot of credibility and potential customers....

23 April 2024, 00:28

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

Please explain complicit in detail. We have done the Ponzi scheme, embezzlement, pay Peter to pay Paul, finders fee, commissions, editing posts, etc yet not one string of evidence to support these accusations

And Hasher if you want to call me a Fuck on AR go for it but that is not the spirit of this Forum

Let’s see:

1- who advertised the hunt on AR?
2- who put CME in contact with Ibi?
3- at least a portion of what CME paid was paid after it was 100% a known fact that Ibi didn’t have any area.
4- according to your own representations, all others were paid back . How did CME end up with the short end of the stick?
5- CME still has not been repaid after a considerable period of time .

Other than these things there is no reason at all to think anything was wrong .

You are wrecking your credibility Andrew.

23 April 2024, 06:48

Safari2

quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

Please explain complicit in detail. We have done the Ponzi scheme, embezzlement, pay Peter to pay Paul, finders fee, commissions, editing posts, etc yet not one string of evidence to support these accusations

And Hasher if you want to call me a Fuck on AR go for it but that is not the spirit of this Forum

23 April 2024, 06:52

Hasher

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by Hasher:
Your argument holds no water.

Fuck game as I will now call him would never step up to the plate like that.

You might as well ask what if he wins the lottery.

Because you are a profanity.

So we are now down to profanities?

23 April 2024, 06:54

Hasher

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Saeed,
I am not going at the "victim". Baldry is complicit and is part of the problem. You have seen CME's posts and Baldry's. In a contest of "Truth or Dare", I pick CME. Baldry has changed his story too many times.
CME is the victim.

Please explain complicit in detail. We have done the Ponzi scheme, embezzlement, pay Peter to pay Paul, finders fee, commissions, editing posts, etc yet not one string of evidence to support these accusations

And Hasher if you want to call me a Fuck on AR go for it but that is not the spirit of this Forum

Bad language is not in the spirit of the forum but assisting in defrauding a client is?

Got it fuxk game.

It is my fervent hope that one day CME encounters you in person.

23 April 2024, 17:41

Saeed

Those who are blaming Andrew are only diverting attention from the real crook who took the money, Ibi.

I know he is reading this forum.

Ibi, take a friendly advice.

Pay back the money you have taken.

Stop digging a deeper hole for your reputation!

You might at least try to salvage something.

Right now not many would touch you with the proverbial barge pole!

The client has been very gracious to accept payments back in installments.

Even then you didn’t full fill your promise!

23 April 2024, 19:17

larryshores

If indeed this is a crime in Zambia , why haven’t the authorities done anything ? This does not help the reputation of Zambia at all .

23 April 2024, 19:56

Safari2

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Originally posted by larryshores:
If indeed this is a crime in Zambia , why haven’t the authorities done anything ? This does not help the reputation of Zambia at all .

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that this issue has disrupted some bookings in other areas of Zambia.

23 April 2024, 20:09

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Safari2:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If indeed this is a crime in Zambia , why haven’t the authorities done anything ? This does not help the reputation of Zambia at all .

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that this issue has disrupted some bookings in other areas of Zambia.

Did anyone expect anything else?

24 April 2024, 08:28

Hasher

quote:
Originally posted by Safari2:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If indeed this is a crime in Zambia , why haven’t the authorities done anything ? This does not help the reputation of Zambia at all .

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that this issue has disrupted some bookings in other areas of Zambia.

Perhaps if this is hurting other bookings then those folks might just show up and give ibi a proper sorting out.

24 April 2024, 09:03

M.Shy

This is done and many of you just keep this going for some self gratifying masochism
Can’t put a finger on it but it’s dumb…

24 April 2024, 15:20

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
This is done and many of you just keep this going for some self gratifying masochism
Can’t put a finger on it but it’s dumb…

A client got screwed out of lots of his hard earned money.

The crook who took his money seems unwilling to pay it back.

This will only end once the client has been paid back!

26 April 2024, 00:22

lpankratz

With interest accrued. Should be at least.

26 April 2024, 01:12

crbutler

As I see this, morally (but not legally) Mr. Baldry owes CME his assistance in getting a refund. Whether he did this, or not, at a minimum, the guy with a loss (CME) did not feel he was doing enough.

The guy who took the money has not repaid it, but has agreed to and has not kept the schedule of repayments he agreed to.

He is now threatening the victim because the complaints have hurt him.

Is that about the whole 21 pages in brief?

And now that this one guy hasn’t paid back his indebtedness other folks who have not defrauded clients are being tarred by this brush? Because they also operate in Zambia?

If that is the case, its a wonder anyone does business with a U.S. citizen… since folks steal similar or larger amounts often, the victim never gets paid back, and if the legal system ever gets to the criminal its usually years after the fact.

26 April 2024, 10:35

dogcat

quote:
Originally posted by Safari2:
quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
If indeed this is a crime in Zambia , why haven’t the authorities done anything ? This does not help the reputation of Zambia at all .

Larry, I can tell you for a fact that this issue has disrupted some bookings in other areas of Zambia.

As it should.

26 April 2024, 17:55

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
As I see this, morally (but not legally) Mr. Baldry owes CME his assistance in getting a refund. Whether he did this, or not, at a minimum, the guy with a loss (CME) did not feel he was doing enough.

The guy who took the money has not repaid it, but has agreed to and has not kept the schedule of repayments he agreed to.

He is now threatening the victim because the complaints have hurt him.

Is that about the whole 21 pages in brief?

And now that this one guy hasn’t paid back his indebtedness other folks who have not defrauded clients are being tarred by this brush? Because they also operate in Zambia?

If that is the case, its a wonder anyone does business with a U.S. citizen… since folks steal similar or larger amounts often, the victim never gets paid back, and if the legal system ever gets to the criminal its usually years after the fact.

Well, I think there is a little more to this than discrimination against all Zambian outfitters . The first issue is the potential impact on any hunt booked in Zambia of the government’s actions or lack thereof. Secondly , the government has apparently done nothing in terms of official action against Ibi. They aren’t protecting the paying customers. Finally , booking with an outfitter who is subcontracting with a third party carries another layer of risk that does not exist when booking/hunting with the concession holder .

I also think the summary misses some additional points. The repeated misrepresentations and changes to the story set forth by some involved in this matter for example .

26 April 2024, 21:25

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
As I see this, morally (but not legally) Mr. Baldry owes CME his assistance in getting a refund. Whether he did this, or not, at a minimum, the guy with a loss (CME) did not feel he was doing enough.

The guy who took the money has not repaid it, but has agreed to and has not kept the schedule of repayments he agreed to.

He is now threatening the victim because the complaints have hurt him.

Is that about the whole 21 pages in brief?

And now that this one guy hasn’t paid back his indebtedness other folks who have not defrauded clients are being tarred by this brush? Because they also operate in Zambia?

If that is the case, its a wonder anyone does business with a U.S. citizen… since folks steal similar or larger amounts often, the victim never gets paid back, and if the legal system ever gets to the criminal its usually years after the fact.

Well, I think there is a little more to this than discrimination against all Zambian outfitters . The first issue is the potential impact on any hunt booked in Zambia of the government’s actions or lack thereof. Secondly , the government has apparently done nothing in terms of official action against Ibi. They aren’t protecting the paying customers. Finally , booking with an outfitter who is subcontracting with a third party carries another layer of risk that does not exist when booking/hunting with the concession holder .

I also think the summary misses some additional points. The repeated misrepresentations and changes to the story set forth by some involved in this matter for example .

Nothing here has altered my bookings for this year and the statement that this fiasco has affected Zambia's bookings is bullshit and all operators are booked solid

26 April 2024, 21:42

scruffy

I would certainly book and hunt with Andrew again. I read that Ibi has a son going to university in the U.S. I rather suspect that must cost that missing $80,000 a year. (My limited knowledge on the subject is confined to two Canadian students that I know who studied in the U.S.)

27 April 2024, 20:40

K Evans

Not sure if the timeline of deposits, but below is an excerpt from Zambian Parliament minutes regarding the concession in question…

“Madam Speaker, currently, and I repeat, there have seven hunting blocks on which concessions expired, and those are the ones we are going to prioritise when the new bid document come into effect. I will read them out:
Nyampala, Chikwa, Lower Lupande, Chifunda, Mwanya and Luawata. Any other hunting block across the country is active and hunting is currently going on. Each of the hunting blocks has a concession anniversary date. As such, the concessions expire on different dates. I will give you an example of one in the areas I have just mentioned. Chanjuzi is expiring on 4th November, 2022. Once it expires, we will retender it. Obviously, given our procurement process, we do realise that we have to tender most of the expiring hunting concessions well in advance so that if we have any new entrants, they are able to have time to mobilise.”

27 April 2024, 21:00

larryshores

I am told that all but one payment was made after that date. Perhaps CME can confirm.

27 April 2024, 21:03

Kpoynter

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
Not sure if the timeline of deposits, but below is an excerpt from Zambian Parliament minutes regarding the concession in question…

“Madam Speaker, currently, and I repeat, there have seven hunting blocks on which concessions expired, and those are the ones we are going to prioritise when the new bid document come into effect. I will read them out:
Nyampala, Chikwa, Lower Lupande, Chifunda, Mwanya and Luawata. Any other hunting block across the country is active and hunting is currently going on. Each of the hunting blocks has a concession anniversary date. As such, the concessions expire on different dates. I will give you an example of one in the areas I have just mentioned. Chanjuzi is expiring on 4th November, 2022. Once it expires, we will retender it. Obviously, given our procurement process, we do realise that we have to tender most of the expiring hunting concessions well in advance so that if we have any new entrants, they are able to have time to mobilise.”

Uh ohhhhh!!!!!!
Smoking Gun in the entire “Who knew what and when” at the basis of all this.
This seems to confirm outright fraud. It was KNOWN during and throughout the process that CHANJUZI WAS NOT available to sell quota in.
Only a token deposit had been paid prior to this. Monies were continued to be requested (70 of the 80k) AFTER this was known.

Andrew was certainly in the loop in regards to payments and timing after this. IBI CLEARLY knew he didn’t have the area during this and ANDREW CLEARLY SHOULD HAVE OR DID….

This is evidence to me of clear cut fraud. They HOPED it would get worked out later before the season started and it didn’t. That part I get but they KNEW it wasn’t the whole time.

27 April 2024, 21:07

larryshores

Yup.

I am sure this will find its way to the Embassy .

27 April 2024, 21:14

Cme

There’s my smoking gun! Thank you Karl.

What Larry and Kevin said regarding the payments is 100% accurate. Only 10k was paid before the closure of the concession. All other payments came after the concession was closed. I wasn’t notified about the concession closure until June 15th, 2023. Wow!!!

28 April 2024, 00:46

Hasher

What did fuckgame
Know and when did he know it???

How could any reputable PH not know the concession was not available????

28 April 2024, 05:37

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Hasher:
What did fuckgame
Know and when did he know it???

How could any reputable PH not know the concession was not available????

How could he?

Do you get advance warning of your governments shenanigans?

28 April 2024, 06:59

Hasher

Actually yes we do.

The USA is pretty open and there is always someone leaking info.

We are not a 3rd world country.

We are just headed that direction.

28 April 2024, 07:13

BaxterB

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
Not sure if the timeline of deposits, but below is an excerpt from Zambian Parliament minutes regarding the concession in question…

“Madam Speaker, currently, and I repeat, there have seven hunting blocks on which concessions expired, and those are the ones we are going to prioritise when the new bid document come into effect. I will read them out:
Nyampala, Chikwa, Lower Lupande, Chifunda, Mwanya and Luawata. Any other hunting block across the country is active and hunting is currently going on. Each of the hunting blocks has a concession anniversary date. As such, the concessions expire on different dates. I will give you an example of one in the areas I have just mentioned. Chanjuzi is expiring on 4th November, 2022. Once it expires, we will retender it. Obviously, given our procurement process, we do realise that we have to tender most of the expiring hunting concessions well in advance so that if we have any new entrants, they are able to have time to mobilise.”

can you post a link to the entire thing?