One of these days I plan a trip of a lifetime to Africa. I would love to hunt Eland and a Buffalo. I've heard a lot of views about the suitability of my 9.3 some good, some bad. I'd like some real experience (preferably good)I plan on using 300gr swift a frames at approx 2200-2250fps.
Allthough it's not what it's designed for this rifle groups 1.75" at 200 yards with 270 gr speers not bad for a cartridge designed in 1904!
Good hunting.
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I use the 320 gr. soft by Woodleigh for herd hunting and 320 gr.solids for bachelor Bulls.
I can drive that bullet to 2350 FPS. in my 9.3x62. and it will shoot stem to stern through one...
There is no problem in using solids in herd hunting as long as you pay attention to what is on the other side of your target, but you must use a lot more discreation and patience.
the 9.3x62 soft is the perfect herd combo as it will invaribly stop against the hide on the off side..I have yet to see it fail to do just that..A 375 on the other hand will go through a bull broadside a lot of the time with softs.
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Ray Atkinson
Now this is the sort of stuff I want to hear! Actual good experiences.
Could you share your 320gr Woodleigh loads with me? I had thought of them but was concerned that I wouldn't be able to get enough velocity. Seems I was wrong! I would be very interested to hear of the AOL with them (using the crimp groove) as my mauser 98 doesn't have the front lug ground and so can be a bit of a squueze. Do you think theres much of an advantage in using the 320s over the 286s?
I shoot 56.5 grs. of RL-15 with the 320 gr. Woodleigh soft and 56. with the solid both to same POI in my 26" barrel Mauser...The OAL is 3.280 or to the top of the cannalure. I don't crimp, but my extractor button is ground .004 undersize so as to grip the case rather tightly..and with RL-15 the case is very full, so I have had no problems...I do this on most of my rifles, as I'm not a fan of fillers and crimping...
I don't know if there is any advantage to using the 320 over the 286.. The 286 needs no defense as it is a proven warrior. I suspect you get more penitration and maybe a little more thump, but is it substantial, I just don't know and don't place much substance on paper balistics anymore....
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Ray Atkinson
Many thanks, I'll give the loads a try if I can get hold of some bullets. I have had problems with neck tension with RWS brass (very thin necks), Lapua better. I'm told PMP has very strong necks. I take the resize button out to get max. tension. What brass and primers do you use?
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The 320 gr. RN has shot in all of them...If a bullet will not stabilize you will know the first group you shoot...
You been hanging out with a bad crowd if they are bad mouthing the 9.3x62, they must rate mentally with a snail..(grin) I have never heard one single bad word about a 9.3x62 in my lifetime of hunting. The 9.3x64 on the other hand suffered a lot of abuse because of early bullet failures as the velocity was too high for the bullets as they used the 9.3x62 bullets in it and that was a disaster....But, today with premium bullets the 9.3x64 is a real number and actually a bit better than the 9.3x62, but with the price of added recoil....
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Ray Atkinson
While I would choose a heavy super-premium for African game, for American deer/boar/black bear, the 270 Speer looks promising.
BigIron
Can you recall how long it took you to get your barrel re-bored by Cliff LaBounty?
Ive been waiting 21 months for mine.
Andy
I too was very impressed when I shot the 270gr speers. They are the only bullet which is easy to get hold of over here for 9.3
I recovered some from the chalk walls of the quarry I shoot in. From 100 yards they showed absolutely textbook expansion and remained perfectly 'bonded'. Weight retention was 75% They were launched at 2350fps. . The 286gr partitions were wiped out back to the partition and not much above calibre size. Seems like the hot core process really works I wonder if they are as good as true bonded bullet without the other features such as Bitteroot or Woodleigh?
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Ray Atkinson
I live near both the Speer and nosler factories and have shot them forever it seems, and believe me the speer hot core process does not bond the lead to the jacket in any way what so ever.
The Bitterroot would be a good bullet even without bonding due to its completely perfect 0.65 inch thick V-shaped jacket, pure copper jacket and heat treating. with bonding it is still the original and best expanding bullet ever made.
Bill Steigers (who makes Bitterroots) worked for Vernon Speer for many years. He wrote the first five speer reloading manuals as I recall. The late Mr. Speer would never have claimed his bullet was bonded.
The 270 gr 9.3 x 62 is surviving only because it has relativeluy high SD and very modest velocity.
If you want to see the difference between a hot core and a bonded bullet try shooting them at 3,000 fps. You will see it is not bonded!!!!
The 9.3 nosler is a great bullet. Cut one in two and look at how thick the ogive is.
the dirt banks create alot of heat. Its a very dense medium and unlike anything in the animal world.
you guys are making me want to go out and buy a 9.3 x 62 CZ just to have a light weight medium bore.
Ray, how fast can you push a 286 gr in a 22 inch barrel?
Andy
I can get 2400 with a 320 Woodleigh...Rl 15 seems to work best in the 9.3x62..Recoil is about like a 30-06 to me...The 9.3x64 is even better I suppose, and the case isn't all that much bigger, it works fine in a standard lenth action..With the advent of premium bullets the 9.3x64 may be the best yet...albiet recoil is more. It would be simple to punch out a 9.3x62 to a 9.3x64 I think..( If the 64 will clean the chamber ) I havn't checked the stats on that one.....
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Ray Atkinson
The European bullets in 9.3 all seem to be very good bullets re: RWS, Tug, Tig, Norma etc., although I have not tried them I know some well experienced PH's who swear by them.
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Ray Atkinson
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Ray Atkinson
I will admit that these loads are very hot if one accepts the factory loading criteria for the cartridge (either 44,000 or 49,000 psi.) However, this is extremely conservative given that this is essentially a 30-06 case with the shoulder moved and a larger hole. The standard for the 30-06 is in the mid-50,000 range.
I am able to reload my brass the same number of times I can reload 30-06 brass, and have no problems with bolt lift, extraction, or other pressure signs. But these loads exceed the published data by a grain or two. I will not provide loads, but believe that H4895, SR118, Varget and RL 15 to be the good choices for this round. I wish I could lay my hands on some H414 so I could try out Ray's 250 loads.
I can't wait to get this thing on a hunt. I am thinking about a deer hunt with it this fall, and taking it to Africa next year. The 250BT at 2600fps essentially duplicates the ballistics of the 140gr Remington bullet in my 6.5 Swede at 2750fps. Ku-dude
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Ray Atkinson
BTW the PMP load has one of the most blunted bullets I have ever seen. This of course is represented in the ballistics. But I can�t find this load on their web site?
I know Woodleigh and Barnes bullets. Does anybody else makes heavies / premium bullets? Has anybody shot something with GS blunt nosed solids?
Good shooting! H
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bye
Stefano
Waidmann's Heil
dear atkinson,
you can ask ALL of the long-time-manufacturers of 9,3x62 cartridges and they will tell you all the same:
it is not possible to reach 2400 fps with a 320 grainer in 9,3x62 without beeing about 20 to 25 % above the allowable pressure ceiling for this cartridge. there are 3 opinions why you have a 9,3x62 that goes 2400 fps with a 320er bullet:
1. you are working with 4300 bar pressure
2. you are working with a paper-chronometer
3. you are telling fairy-tales
4. you simply do not speak the truth
please click the correct number!
to verify my vote against your brutal 9,3x62 velocity read this:
A-Square RM: 2380 fps / 286 grs DT
RWS-RM: 2330 fps / 293 grs TUG
Vihtavuori-RM: 2330 fps / 285 grs RWS
Norma-RM: 2362 fps / 286 Alaska
Barnes-RM: 2512 fps / 286 Barnes-X (this load exceeded the allowable pressure in my in my own rifle by far and did only 2430 fps)
DEVA-RM: 2330 fps / 285 grs RWS
I do also know from experience, how much velocity does fall of from 285 to 320 grs in the stronger, bigger and higher pressured 9,3x64 brenneke, so I can tell you and all the hunters that do mean the 9,3x62 is an equivalent to .375 H&H:
you can reach 2100 to max. 2200fps with 320-grs in a 9,3x62 without running into the pressure-ceiling! maybe you can reach 2400 fps with a 320-grainer but maybe you are reaching the nirvana at the same time!
so you do no good to hunting-pals when you are telling such worst things!
the hunter escard
I get 2520 FPS with 58grs of RL-15 with a 286 gr. bullet....2450 FPS with a 300 gr. swift and just a tad under 2400 with the 320 Woodleigh according to my chronograph......based on 5 or 10 shot averages out of my 26" barrel and long throated rifle....Now I submit considering my barrel lenth thats not to far off USA Reloading book Load data, taking the throat and barrel lenth into consideration....
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Joel Slate
Slate & Associates, LLC
The Safari Specialists
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Weidmannsheil!
Bitte, konnen Sie sagen was das Sicherheitsnormendruck fur das 9.3x62 ist? Als Ich oben hab' gesagt, mein nachladende Patronen fur das 9.3x62 sind wirklich heiss, etwas 55,000psi. (Es tut mir leid, aber Ich kann das nicht ins metric ubersetzen.) Ich glaube mir das Sicherheitsnormendruck fur das 9.3x62 ist 44,000 or 49,000psi. Also, mein Patronen sind 10 prozent oben die hohere Grenze, aber innerhalb das Sicherheitsnormendruck des 30-06.
Sie mussen wissen das wir sind auf die Grenze mitt unsere Nachladenshaft. Aber, mitt neuen Hullen in ein starke Waffen ist das Sicher?
Hoffenliche, Ich hab' nicht Ihre Sprache zu schlecht gebrochen, aber Ihre English ist sehr gut, Ich hab' gedacht das Ich muss auf Deutsche fur die weltweit Nachladen-und-Jagdverband weiderscriben. Ich mochte das mehr von Oesterreich und Deutscheland Post hinterlassen werden. Sie haben viel zum uns zu geben. Danke. Wiederschauen. Ku-dude
sei nicht so schroff! Du bist nicht unter Deutschen in der Kneipe, wo man frei aus dem Herzen auf eine so rohe Weise sprechen darf. Du h�ttest es doch h�flicher und netter fragen k�nnen - dann w�rest Du als J�gerfreund in diesem Forum sehr willkommen. Willst du weitermachen, w�re ene Bitte um Entschuldigung sehr n�tzlich - oder wenigstens einen anderen Nick-Namen.
�brigens finde ich, dass Herr Atkinson ein sehr erfahrener J�ger und Waffenkenner ist. D.h. auch wenn ich selbst einiges fragw�rdig finde, glaube ich doch, dass er gute Gr�nde und Erfahrungen f�r seine Worte hat. Und das ist bei allen Leuten nicht immer der Fall...
Waidmannsgr�sse,
Fritz K.