Ray said:

"Soft, solid, and the rest are Cup Points ... all 470's as I recall, out of Buffalo except the soft and the last bullet which is a 404 ... most all of the Cup Points made two holes in and out ... The last one is a 404 at 2400 ... I probably needed a bit more velocity in my 470, but they worked fine and killed exceptionally fast ... All recovered bullets were going away follow up shots ..."



These are the newer truncated cone profile of FP and CP solids, to compare with the older ogive nose profile that Andre' has shown above.



The truncated cone seems to feed better in more rifles than the ogive profile, of the ones I have tried.



One North Fork Soft Point is shown at the extreme left above.

These are the NF cup point solids made for Ray by Mike from NF
Cal. 470 NE
Ray or Mike please comment.







Cheers,

Andr�

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Note there are comments from Ray under each of the photos in the album. Ten pictures.



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Andre',
I really like the configuration of your bands/cannelures. That would indeed allow a death-grip-crimp. Can you fit more bands on the next design refinement? The more the better, IMHO.

Is the nose portion sub-caliber or full caliber?

Have you considered a truncated cone nose instead of the ogive? I have found better feeding in general with the truncated cone shapes like GSC's FN and the North Fork FP.

Yes a bigger cup and lose the boat tail. Should be interesting.

Ray said:

"One Barnes X in this photo??? from PH's .458 Lott, rest are cup points and solids from North Fork ... Also I found a Swift A-Frame in a callus formed ball of gristle that had completely penetrated a buffalo breaking the off shoulder, going through both lungs center and almost clipping the heart ... the bull was totally healed up and fat ... these guys can be bullet proof. The lungs were totally healed and scarred together and the shoulder healed completely ..."



I assume that the recovered Swift A-Frame is at left, top. Looks like a lead mushroom.



The left, bottom bullet looks like the X-Bullet.



That is truly amazing that a buffalo could survive a Swift A-Frame through both lungs and broken shoulder yet heal to fatten up and be harvested by a North Fork maybe a year or more later.

Just curious, what caliber was the A Frame?

Hog Killer

Ray said:

"404 North Fork solid heart shot buffalo ...It was a follow up rear end shot with some angle as it entered the last rib and came to rest in the top of the heart after going through 4 ft of stomach full of wet grass ... wow"



The top of the picture is cut off, but Ray said something about it showing the recovered bullet sitting on top of the heart. Does "solid" refer to the Cup Point or the Flat Point here?

Thanks for elaborating on that

This is my No 1 design of a cup pint for my .500 Jeffery
I will make the cup wider in diameter on the No 2 run and loose the boat tail to gain more weight.
about 600 grn of copper.



Cheers,

Andr�

Andre',
Thanks for posting those high quality pics of the old ogive cup point.

The latest Cup Points are of a truncated cone profile like the FP solid, with a dished out nose of course.

HI,

What I think is fantastic about the cup points is that they do open up,them seem like they would give great penetration and a large channel as well,Kev