Tanzania suspends Exportation of Cites listed Hunting Trophies

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18 May 2016, 00:12

mboga biga bwana

Tanzania suspends Exportation of Cites listed Hunting Trophies

Bad News https://www.safariclub.org/wha...ted-hunting-trophies

18 May 2016, 01:41

Steve Ahrenberg

Yet another nail.

Too bad.

18 May 2016, 02:05

lavaca

Does this apply retroactively? I have a leopard from last year that's ready to ship. Cites permit to import to US issued last year.

Thanks in advance for any info.

18 May 2016, 02:16

crbutler

Just talked with my outfitter...

He had a call to the minister... Per him it is much ado about nothing. The guy who signs the forms was fired. Until they can replace him, they cannot sign the forms.

Once they hire a new official, then things will carry on.

18 May 2016, 02:37

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
Just talked with my outfitter...

He had a call to the minister... Per him it is much ado about nothing. The guy who signs the forms was fired. Until they can replace him, they cannot sign the forms.

Once they hire a new official, then things will carry on.

Not so sure about this. I have a trophy shipment in Dar waiting to be released. I was told the hold up was there was a shipment of live Baboons some tool was trying to smuggle out of Tanzania. It was holding up all trophy shipments until all the documentation required could be verified as to not being counterfeit.

I don't know who or what to believe, coming out of there anymore.

18 May 2016, 04:48

Nakihunter

Is a 2015 CITES import for US valid in 2016? Or do you need to get a new updated one?

Just asking ...

18 May 2016, 04:51

boarkiller

Seems whole lotta baboon going on all over Africa

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When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
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18 May 2016, 04:58

sheephunterab

Just in the process of booking Tanzania.....the BS never seems to end. Will wait on developments before confirming hunt....ugh

18 May 2016, 05:36

lavaca

Naki,

That Cites permit is good. It is for a leopard shot in October 2015, the permit was issued in December 2015, and the trophies are now ready to ship. I'm not worried about that. I'm concerned that Tanzania will not export.

18 May 2016, 07:46

fujotupu

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Does this apply retroactively? I have a leopard from last year that's ready to ship. Cites permit to import to US issued last year.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Yes - Unfortunately.

18 May 2016, 07:57

415sbaird

Terrible news for the hunters, outfitters, and certainly the game animals.

18 May 2016, 08:12

georgeld

IF that lasts, it will just about end the non resident hunting there.
George

18 May 2016, 08:14

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Seems whole lotta baboon going on all over Africa

And don't forget the baboons in the West trying to impose their will on Africa too!

No bloody common sense whatsoever!

18 May 2016, 11:23

fujotupu

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
Seems whole lotta baboon going on all over Africa

And don't forget the baboons in the West trying to impose their will on Africa too!

No bloody common sense whatsoever!

18 May 2016, 11:32

fujotupu

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

Not so sure about this. I have a trophy shipment in Dar waiting to be released. I was told the hold up was there was a shipment of live Baboons some tool was trying to smuggle out of Tanzania. It was holding up all trophy shipments until all the documentation required could be verified as to not being counterfeit.

I don't know who or what to believe, coming out of there anymore.

The export of a batch of live baboons, in spite of a temporary ban on the export of live animals/birds/reptiles is what sparked it off, reverbrating through the departments of the Game Division which ultimately dragged trophies from legally hunted wildlife to be included.

I am sure that once the light is discovered at the end of the tunnel these trophies will be released.

Somehow I think our resident USF&W representative might have a hand in this BS story.

18 May 2016, 13:43

Saeed

quote:
Somehow I think our resident USF&W representative might have a hand in this BS story.

Why am I not surprised!

18 May 2016, 16:26

StormsGSP

Tanzania in general is a bit of a mess right now. The new President has really been on a tear trying to cut government costs and stamp out corruption. As part of this drive he has gone through many government bodies and ministries and fired top officials. The unintended consequences are that there there is no effective leadership, and everyone in the government is afraid to sign off on ANYTHING. The government is pro-hunting and recognizes the benefits, this is not going to last forever.

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"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived. -Henry David Thoreau, Walden

18 May 2016, 18:05

boarkiller

Hopefully ,they will figure it out
While our USFWA never will...unfortunately
Of course, unless we get hunter friendly president ( even Bush wasn't hunter friendly)

18 May 2016, 23:04

sheephunterab

Just spoke with our outfitter in Tanzania and it appears the person in charge of issuing the permits was recently fired and once a new person is appointed it will be business as usual.

19 May 2016, 02:45

lavaca

Apparently there was an issue regarding export of vervet monkeys and some disagreement concerning the legality. It looks like what others have said about a change in personnel is true and now there is no one to sign the forms. I'm assured it is a temporary situation.

19 May 2016, 14:46

Safari Specialty Importers

19th May 2016

EXPORT FOR CITES LISTED TROPHIES

TAHOA would like to confirm that Tanzania has resumed the exporting all trophies with immediate effect.

TAHOA would like to apologize for any alarm caused by the SCI crosshairs newsletter sent out by SCI on the 17th of May 2016. SCI did indeed inquire about the exports and TAHOA advised them that it was a temporary interruption due to an internal clerical issue that would be resolved shortly, and there was no need to cause alarm amongst its members.

Yours Sincerely
Mike Angelides
Secretary General
Tanzania Hunting Operators Association (TAHOA)

tahoa@tahoa.org
www.tahoa.org

19 May 2016, 15:29

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Safari Specialty Importers:
19th May 2016

EXPORT FOR CITES LISTED TROPHIES

TAHOA would like to confirm that Tanzania has resumed the exporting all trophies with immediate effect.

TAHOA would like to apologize for any alarm caused by the SCI crosshairs newsletter sent out by SCI on the 17th of May 2016. SCI did indeed inquire about the exports and TAHOA advised them that it was a temporary interruption due to an internal clerical issue that would be resolved shortly, and there was no need to cause alarm amongst its members.

Yours Sincerely
Mike Angelides
Secretary General
Tanzania Hunting Operators Association (TAHOA)

tahoa@tahoa.org
www.tahoa.org

Great news!

Thank you very much!

19 May 2016, 15:33

A.Dahlgren

quote:
Originally posted by Safari Specialty

TAHOA would like to apologize for any alarm caused by the SCI crosshairs newsletter sent out by SCI on the 17th of May 2016. SCI did indeed inquire about the exports and TAHOA advised them that it was a temporary interruption due to an internal clerical issue that would be resolved shortly, and there was no need to cause alarm amongst its members.

obviously that email from SCI was needed because the day after everything is "fixed"

19 May 2016, 15:40

mboga biga bwana

quote:
Originally posted by A.Dahlgren:
quote:
Originally posted by Safari Specialty

TAHOA would like to apologize for any alarm caused by the SCI crosshairs newsletter sent out by SCI on the 17th of May 2016. SCI did indeed inquire about the exports and TAHOA advised them that it was a temporary interruption due to an internal clerical issue that would be resolved shortly, and there was no need to cause alarm amongst its members.

obviously that email from SCI was needed because the day after everything is "fixed"

20 May 2016, 06:49

lavaca

My take is somewhat different. I think SCI overreacted and caused a panic when there was nothing to panic about. This is Africa, gentlemen.

I seem to recall that some group recently placed Tanzania something like 117th out of 167 countries on a list of the most corrupt countries. However, they recently purged 10,000 government "ghost" workers. I think President Magufuli, who was only elected last year, is making a huge difference. They don't call him the bulldozer for nothing.

This was just a hiccup.

20 May 2016, 17:47

jeff32

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
My take is somewhat different. I think SCI overreacted and caused a panic when there was nothing to panic about. This is Africa, gentlemen.

I seem to recall that some group recently placed Tanzania something like 117th out of 167 countries on a list of the most corrupt countries. However, they recently purged 10,000 government "ghost" workers. I think President Magufuli, who was only elected last year, is making a huge difference. They don't call him the bulldozer for nothing.

This was just a hiccup.

Sounds like SCI made a damn if you do, damn if you don't decision.