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How many of you take 30-06, 300 Win mag or 7mm Rem mag to Africa?
21 May 2006, 09:48
lawndartHow many of you take 30-06, 300 Win mag or 7mm Rem mag to Africa?
And would you be interested in using factory ammo loaded with North Fork bullets, at the classic velocities for the respective calibers. Because of the construction of North Forks you can drop down a size from your favorite lead cored bullet (if you wish).<BR><BR>7mm Rem Mag ammo will not be made with a speed record in mind. It is a squirrely cartridge for a lot of reasons. I was recently reminded by someone more experienced than I that the throats vary from nonexistent to 1/2 the length of the barrel.A Super Premium bullet will make the best hunting cartridge ever even better.At 30-06 velocities conventional bullets are just fine, and cheaper to.My 300 Win Mag carries the mail, quicklyJesus Christ shoots a 7mm Rem Mag, and so do I.Hmmmm, just imagine a 7x57 with a light but long North Fork bullet!
21 May 2006, 10:07
Andrew McLarenBased on my limited experience, but gained over a 24 years period of acting as a PH, and relying on my [poor] memory, rather than recorded statistics I'd say for the visiting American hunter on a plains game safari [no DG in area] more or less as below:
30-60 = 25 %
300 WM = 35 %
7mm Rem = 20 %
Rest = 20 %
To vote in the poll: All are just about equally true!
In good hunting.
Andrew McLaren.
LawnDart (are you related to my little brother known as "not so good yard dart catcher"? that was his Indian name),
When in RSA and ZIm, the ph's liked the .300 because it made the animals "DRT". THat means "dead right there" and minimized tracking or lost game. The number one thing was to be able to shoot well, use a good bullet and make a big hole going in and a bigger hole going out.
I was always a small caliber fan, shooting .243, .270 and .280 until I went to Africa. I know use a .300 on everything and see what those guys mean. Frankly, I am strongly considering using a .375 H&H on everything I hunt as this makes my life less complicated - from pronghorns to elk to kudu to puku and everything in between.
21 May 2006, 18:17
MARK H. YOUNGFinn Aagard said "The 30-06 just plain works" and the 300 magnums are just more of the same with a longer range. In my opinion a 300 magnum with a premium bullet of 180-200 grains is about ideal for a hunter to take as a plains game rifle. For me personally it might be a toss up between a 300 mag and a 338 of some flavor but I've shot a 338 alot so I have a real soft spot for it.
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21 May 2006, 18:57
nordrsetaWhile in the RSA on business I used a borrowed 308 and PMP 150 gr roundnose softs for a red hartebeest in '94 and an impala in '95. When we returned to hunt the bushveld in '97 I brought a 30'06 and handloaded 220 gr Hornady roundnose softs. My M700 doesn't care for roundnose bullets when I work the bolt in a hurry so I'd pick a 180-200 spitzer of premium construction were I to bring the Remington again. Oh yeah, as for for factory-loaded North Forks at conventional velocities...sure, why not?
21 May 2006, 19:33
onefunzr2Lawndart,
If you're trolling for customers for your custom ammo, perhaps asking on the "accurate reloading" forums isn't the best place. There must be websites that cater to factory ammo users.
I haven't used any factory ammo since '71 except for rimfire and 10 ga mag shotshells for wild turkey...I only shoot max of 2 per year so never geared up to reload them.
22 May 2006, 01:43
sharps54quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
LawnDart (are you related to my little brother known as "not so good yard dart catcher"? that was his Indian name
I'm sure he will answer this but I bet lawndart is refering to a set of silver wings he earned at Ft. Benning....
22 May 2006, 02:18
SlingsterI have a friend who's settled on the .30-06 with 200 or 220 grain loads, but my choice is either the 9.3x62 or .376 Steyr as the "light" rifle for everything short of dangerous game.
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I love my .30-06, even though I must admit limited experience with other cartridges in the same class.
I think that a .30-06 with conventional bullets will work fine on most game, but then some sort of premium bullet is better on the biggest and thoughest game you would normally hunt with such a rifle (eland, oryx, wildebeest). Don`t have to be more complicated for me. But I love to play around and test different guns, calibers and bullets!
24 May 2006, 06:44
lawndartquote:
Lawndart,
If you're trolling for customers for your custom ammo, perhaps asking on the "accurate reloading" forums isn't the best place. There must be websites that cater to factory ammo users.
I haven't used any factory ammo since '71 except for rimfire and 10 ga mag shotshells for wild turkey...I only shoot max of 2 per year so never geared up to reload them.
Research.
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The customers will be wholesalers, retailers and individual internet sales.
Research.
Hopefully it will allow me to better meet the needs and desires of potential customers.
LD
24 May 2006, 08:05
lawndartquote:
LawnDart (are you related to my little brother known as "not so good yard dart catcher"? that was his Indian name),
He, he, he.
When the F-16 first came on line, it crashed a lot due to the crappy Pratt & Whitney engines. Our nick name for the airframe was "the lawndart". I took that as my call sign.
LD
24 May 2006, 09:39
lawndartquote:
Based on my limited experience, but gained over a 24 years period of acting as a PH, and relying on my [poor] memory, rather than recorded statistics I'd say for the visiting American hunter on a plains game safari [no DG in area] more or less as below:
30-60 = 25 %
300 WM = 35 %
7mm Rem = 20 %
Rest = 20 %
To vote in the poll: All are just about equally true!
In good hunting.
Thank you Andrew,
That jibes with some of the other input I have had.
LD
24 May 2006, 09:47
lawndartquote:
Finn Aagard said "The 30-06 just plain works" and the 300 magnums are just more of the same with a longer range. In my opinion a 300 magnum with a premium bullet of 180-200 grains is about ideal for a hunter to take as a plains game rifle. For me personally it might be a toss up between a 300 mag and a 338 of some flavor but I've shot a 338 alot so I have a real soft spot for it.
Mark
Hi Mark,
I also personally like the 338 more than the 300. Picking a commercial powder for the 300 is more problematic as well. They seem to dote on the Bofors powders (RL-22 & RL-25). The problem is the lack of temperature stability, and the lack of uniformity of burn rate from lot to lot. I'm taking a hard look at VihtaVouri powders right now. They are looking promising.
LD
Well, I have not used any of the above cartridges.
But, I have used a number fo wildcat 270 caliber rifles to shoot 100s of African plains game.
These included everything from duikers to eland, and I have never felt I was under-gunned.
The bullet used is very important. The ones we have used were Barnes X, Trophy Bonded Bear Claws and Jensen bullets.
24 May 2006, 18:53
Mike300WSMI used my .300WSM for all 9 species I recently hunted including giraffe and it served me well.
24 May 2006, 21:02
CRUSHERI took a 7 mm mag to africa for my dad to shoot along with his 375 even in a left handed rifle I ended up masacreeeing the baboons with it but did not pack it there my self would be far better off with 338 in my opinion but voted for 7 mag because of the jesus reference it made me laugh out loud people in my office are now sure im crazy thanks
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I have used .308 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and .270 Weatherby Mag on 7 species of PG from springbok and warthog to blue wildebeest and kudu. Most were one shot kills. My Namibian PH commented most farmers he knew owned .270 Win rifles. My only rifle these days is now a .300 Win Mag. FWIW.
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25 May 2006, 10:48
lawndartquote:
Well, I have not used any of the above cartridges.
But, I have used a number fo wildcat 270 caliber rifles to shoot 100s of African plains game.
These included everything from duikers to eland, and I have never felt I was under-gunned.
The bullet used is very important. The ones we have used were Barnes X, Trophy Bonded Bear Claws and Jensen bullets.
Hi Saeed,
I hate to admit this, but I am thinking of turning one of my 1909 Argentine actions into a 270 Weatherby. You are right about needing to use the best bullets at those velocities.
LD
25 May 2006, 10:51
lawndartquote:
I used my .300WSM for all 9 species I recently hunted including giraffe and it served me well.
Hi Mike,
The 300 WSM is a fine cartridge. I believe it and the 270 WSM are the only two of the current crop of short magnums that will be readily available in twenty years.
LD
25 May 2006, 10:54
lawndartquote:
I took a 7 mm mag to africa for my dad to shoot along with his 375 even in a left handed rifle I ended up masacreeeing the baboons with it but did not pack it there my self would be far better off with 338 in my opinion but voted for 7 mag because of the jesus reference it made me laugh out loud people in my office are now sure im crazy thanks
VERITAS ODIUM PARIT
Crusher,
I first got a 7mm Rem Mag to use as a longer range Elk cartridge. After killing four elk with the 160 grain Partition - all under 200 yards - I now load it with 175 grain bullets. It is kind of like an updated 7x57 with premium bullets. It is still a squirrel to load for. This cartridge will give me even more gray hairs in coming years.
LD
25 May 2006, 10:56
lawndartquote:
I have used .308 Win, 7mm Rem Mag and .270 Weatherby Mag on 7 species of PG from springbok and warthog to blue wildebeest and kudu. Most were one shot kills. My Namibian PH commented most farmers he knew owned .270 Win rifles. My only rifle these days is now a .300 Win Mag. FWIW.
Unfortunately, most people don't think 270 Win when venturing overseas. That bore size is not a candidate for North Fork bullets. Just not enough demand. I gave mine to my daughter for her high school graduation.
LD
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Unfortunately, most people don't think 270 Win when venturing overseas.
Jack O'Connor did.
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What the heck is a squirrel cartridge - one thats difficult to get to shoot well? - or one thats good on squirrels?
26 May 2006, 03:19
Use Enough GunYes, rest assured that the .270 gets plenty of exercise in Africa and in other parts of the world even though it may not get a lot of press. Boddington has taken a real liking to the .270 WSM on many overseas adventures.
28 May 2006, 12:00
lawndartquote:
What the heck is a squirrel cartridge - one thats difficult to get to shoot well? - or one thats good on squirrels?
Yes, and yes
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The 7mm Rem Mag makes me wake up from nightmares in a cold sweat.
LD
28 May 2006, 12:03
lawndartDon't get me wrong,
The 270 is a fine cartridge, it just won't make the cut due to lack of demand.
The copper bar stock has to be a specific size for the finished bullet - just big enough diameter, but not so big as to require extra machining (read cost).
LD
28 May 2006, 12:06
lawndartquote:
Jack O'Connor did.
Yep,
But, he preferred the 30-06 (he was pretty bright for majoring in English in college). Of course, he made a lot more money writing about the 270 than he ever would have extolling the virtues of the 30-06. Gotta feed the family.
28 May 2006, 12:49
vapodogquote:
And would you be interested in using factory ammo loaded with North Fork bullets, at the classic velocities for the respective calibers. Because of the construction of North Forks you can drop down a size from your favorite lead cored bullet (if you wish).
The ability to buy (in my case) 30-06 ammo with Northfork bullets in Johannesberg (and other African towns)is a great plus.....this means I don't have to take ammo on the plane.....I can buy it there!!!!
That's one hassle I can do without.
Northforks should be made available in .300 Winnie, 30-06, .375 H&H and possibly a few other cartridges. But unless I can buy them in Africa they have little use to me. I also want to know the powder and amount of the loading.
I'm a handloader and they aren't worth anything to me here.....I like to roll my own but that damn airplane hassle is worth a bit of overseas buying for sure.
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