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Originally posted by bcap:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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He should also seriously consider stepping down to a 416 or 404, because he sure misses a lot of easy shots with his 600NE.

He misses because he is not able to handle the rifle!

To me, that’s the ultimate in unethical hunting!

Someone trying to massage his ego.

That is all.

You should see all the talk on the facebook groups about calibers and how a 375 is not enough gun. So many guys dont realize how many bad shots are from people scared of there gun and the recoil. Now a few of them are taking this video from this guy as the gospel and he is there new hero. The biggest joke on this subject is Bill davis the super facebook hero.

Hahaha!

Silly amateurs trying to be real hunters!

The more they talk the easier to see what a bunch of grandstanding idiots they are!

I am a hunter who uses big bores for dangerous game, but anything bigger than a .500 is neither practical nor necessary by any measure.

And that is especially true if the hunter can’t hit anything with it!

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
I am a hunter who uses big bores for dangerous game, but anything bigger than a .500 is neither practical nor necessary by any measure.

And that is especially true if the hunter can’t hit anything with it!

Mike, you and others use whatever caliber you wish, your choice.

But this idiot goes out of his way to show just how stupid he is!

And puts it on video too!

I agree with Michael that .500 is plenty. I shoot a 50-110 ( necked down to true .500 cal just so I can load CEB Raptor .410 grain bullet and it kills buffalo with ease. I have experimented with different velocities even down to high .500&W rifle velocities and it still kills buffalo quickly.

( I got into .577 NE using a break open 10ga. shotgun just out of curiosity and it is fun and satisfying to shoot buffalo with but completely unnecessary.)

Regarding Tim Sundles video, did you notice how his 600NE has negligible visible recoil? Must be a very light load. Something isn't right about that video.

I load our 577 T.Rex down to the same as a 308 Winchester.

Kids shoot it.

Saeed, I like how you always involve the children in shooting and in a entertain and instructive way. Good man! Brian

I have hunted dangerous game with a .375, but I have not been impressed.

I've always managed to achieve vital hits, but by the same token, I've always found the .375 slow to kill, unless the brain or spine is struck.

OTOH, I have literally knocked buffalo down to the ground on shoulder shots with my .500 A2.

I have kids coming to shoot every week!

They love it!

Some think I am a magician!

I use a 22 rim fire upside down on my head and hit small balloons with it.

Another trick is I stand facing away from the target, bend down with the rifle pointing back between my legs, and do the same!

Saeed, Lot's of fun!
That is very important as far as I am concerned. They see that while shooting can be a great sport to learn, it's also a lot of fun. It also gives "pops and the kids" something interesting to do together. I have always been that kind of adult for the youngster, now I am doing it with grandchildren. Like you it's a priority in my life.

On a side note,
Having taught shooting for many years I will say that generally females learn quicker than males as they seem to focus a bit more and don't have as much ego issues. Have you ever noticed that?

Also, as I remember you have brother who is an Olympian champ at trap shooting. Am I correct? Maybe I have my wires crossed. Brian

Michael R., I know that good old Saeed is a 375 man with his own excellent 300 grain bullet buzzing along at nearly 3,000 fps.


Yes the .375 is popular. Just for a minute, hypothetically, suppose it was outlawed in Africa for obvious reasons, it would probably impact half of the cape buffalo hunters world wide and collapse the DG hunting industry from manufacturers to Outfitters. There has to be a 375 cape buffalo rifle!

We all have our own style. I treasure the experience of killing a cape buffalo at close range with a good 500 calibre bullet after a arduous stalk and a well placed shot. It just pleases me the way the buffalo almost immediately expires as I open the action on my smoking single shot rifle. Ah yes. On Monday I gratefully board a plane for Africa where I have 6 cape buffalos booked.

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Originally posted by Brian Canada:
I agree with Michael that .500 is plenty. I shoot a 50-110 ( necked down to true .500 cal just so I can load CEB Raptor .410 grain bullet and it kills buffalo with ease. I have experimented with different velocities even down to high .500&W rifle velocities and it still kills buffalo quickly.

( I got into .577 NE using a break open 10ga. shotgun just out of curiosity and it is fun and satisfying to shoot buffalo with but completely unnecessary.)

Regarding Tim Sundles video, did you notice how his 600NE has negligible visible recoil? Must be a very light load. Something isn't right about that video.

What 500 Smith velocities are you getting? Are you using the CEB bullet for that load? Just curious because I have a 500 Smith rifle and it would be fun to see if I can duplicate your load.

GOOD LUCK, BRIAN!! WOW!!

Brian, Saeed’s .375 is on steroids.

I’m having one made quite like it right now in .375 RUM.

It may make a convert out of me.

Good luck with the buff!

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Brian, Saeed’s .375 is on steroids.

I’m having one made quite like it right now in .375 RUM.

It may make a convert out of me.

Good luck with the buff!

According to our trackers, it is not the bullet that kills.

It is the DAWA coating I have on them!

Last year I shot a buffalo quartering away.

He ran a few yards, tumbled and dropped dead.

Apparently there was a discussion between the game scout and the trackers as i fired.

The game scout asked why did I shoot it in the position, it was not good.

The trackers told him not a problem.

As my bullets have DAWA I make myself that kills on contact!

There is a difference of some order between what we amateurs consider an adequate calibre and the viewpoint of a professional game killer (not a hunting guide). A 7mm Mauser was plenty of gun for elephants if you were Bell. The Mozambique meat hunters back in the 1940s and early fifties used ordinary .270 Win for Buffalo but went up to .375 for elephant. Most of their shooting was from trucks though. When I was a deer culling for the New Zealand Forest Service, my .270 was considered ridiculously over powered for Red deer. My boss, Brian Carson who was reputed to have shot over 30,000 deer (I think it was probably a lot less but there were several men who had shot more than that), felt that he needed more power as deer got scarcer in the 1970s so he moved up from the usual .222 to a .223.
Of course if you are hunting like that you are usually alone and few people brag about the ones they wounded and lost.
A lot of hunting and fishing regulations are set in place to make it harder to catch or kill. No one choses a light rod and a dry fly if their life depends on catching trout. Bow hunting became popular, not because it was an efficient way of collecting meat but because American regulations encouraged it.
Big bore double rifles with open sights are popular because of tradition, the thrill of the big bang and because they make the hunt more difficult. The requirements of a PH for a stopping rifle are a different matter. Big bores are not more efficient for amateurs so long as you can point the spout in the right general direction!
If Tim Sundles had used a scope sighted .375 off sticks on that nice tame fenced Buffalo at that range it probably wouldn't even have needed an insurance shot (silly not to give it another though)

“Stopping rifles” means a rifle that will stop a close quarter charge.

INSTANTLY!

This can only happen if the central nervous system is hit.

Regardless of caliber.

Taylor’s knockout is pure bullshit!

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“Stopping rifles” means a rifle that will stop a close quarter charge.

"Stopping" does not necessarily mean "killing" but rather to divert or hamper the oncoming animal; if the shot is true and hits the CNS so much the better because it will end DRT.

These large bores were built for a purpose and if they didn't work, their production would have ended as quickly as it started.

Or do those hunters, PHs and clients who own a double rifle whose large bores are predominantly .400+ have them for prestige (some do) or have faith in what they were designed for? Even Bell and Co. relied on the blunderbuss when the shit hit the fan.

Lots of people hunt with very large bore rifles.

Some of them know how to shoot them.

The majority don’t!

Sundles is a perfect example of them!

Agreed 100%, but there is a difference even between a 375 and 416s with equal shot placement.

Shot placement is KEY

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Originally posted by Saeed:
“Stopping rifles” means a rifle that will stop a close quarter charge.

INSTANTLY!

This can only happen if the central nervous system is hit.

Regardless of caliber.

Taylor’s knockout is pure bullshit!

Shooting is just like real estate - LOCATION, LOCATION AND LOCATION.

Once was involved with an ammo test - really a bullet test. 300 WM at roughly 400 yards, a dozen types of bullets, shot over 100 whitetails in two days, yes it was a cull hunt properly permitted and all. Before anyone asks!

What we learned, was that " you can kill them with an ice cube, if you can get it going fast enough and deliver it to the right spot." Only one of the bullets failed and only twice at that. That particular bullet, was a hunting version of a popular target bullet, slightly thicker jacket. Also a sort of popular polymer tipped bullet, didn't lose animals over it, but it broke up on the shoulder of two animals in question.

Myself, I am a believer in the Barnes TSX stuff, those seem to work really well, other than solids, it's all I ever take to Africa, don't need anything else. And the solids, I use them for elephant pretty much exclusively, from a 416 Rigby. I prefer that for penetration, as far as I can see, not much beats a 400 grain 416 solid for penetration. Have yet to recover one from elephant, side brain and quartering away shots, it goes completely thru.

For buffalo, I like shooting the 416 ( it's in a double) because I like shooting the double. I use TSX then, but.... I have shot almost as many with the 375. To Saeeds point, a shot well placed, those critters don't go anywhere, with either round. If I can't make or get a clean shot, it's better to wait, if you are patient, you usually get another chance if you haven't already shot.

What's that old SAAM saying? You only get one chance to make a good first shot. Its still true.

MtElkHunter,

It's 410 grain CEB Safari Raptor at 1,920 fps. I use N530 powder for it. I am going to run it about 2,100 next buffalo hunt that I take it on.

That load kills buffalo so well that the PH's are very impressed.

I have read that the 500S&W Rifle likes Hodgdon CFE BLK powder. When I get to testing my 500 S&W rifle barrel on my TC Encore I will try filling the case with CFE BLk with the bullet seated as shallow as I can safely seat it.

Michae458 and his son have tested his .500 Super Short on many Australian buffalo with 385 grain Raptor bullet at about 2,150 fps, as I remember, and it proved to be a real hammer.

I also have the TC in the 500 and it is a beast. I am using 350 grain bullets in it now. I have not tried anything over that but from what I can tell I should be able to get 2000 maybe a little more from the 400 grain. That might be a hell of a thumper load on both ends.

I have rifles up to the 700 Nitro Express.

If for one minute I thought any of them would be better at hunting, I would not be using my 375.

The larger the caliber, the more specialized it becomes.

I know people who use a 460 Weatherby for hunting most game animals.

But they are very good at using it.

The videos shown here show silly amateurs trying to impress others by using a large caliber, while they are in capable of handling it!