350 Rem Mag on Dangerous Game?

27 June 2016, 05:28

cal pappas

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
The use of a 350 Mag on African game is nothing new. Back in the day it had a different name, the 350 Rigby.
Check the ballistics, same thing in a different case, and had a great reputation.

Absolutely true. My .350 no2 Rigby shoots a 225-grain bullet at just under 2600 fps.
Cal

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27 June 2016, 19:11

theback40

Cal, did they make the 350 Rigby on magnum mauser actions or reg. 98's or both?

27 June 2016, 20:15

Bill73

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Bill73, I see what you mean.

Yes, Something like a 350 Rem Mag is not the first choice for Cape buffalo, for sure.
I am thankful/fortunate to say that I have lots of choices of legal rifles to hunt buffalo with. From 375 to 577 NE. I just can't stop fiddling with something different. Being retired, I get to follow my wandering mind. I have a PH pal who has used 338 WM successfully ( used Rhino bullets, I think) and BenKK here on AR, is using a 7mm on a regular basis for water buffalo.

My 375 HH with CEB solids worked so well that it got me to thinking about 350RM. (One Shot at 22 paces, end to end straight penetration.)
This Sept. I go for three cape buffalos with my home built single shot 577NE. - 700 gr cast bullet at 1800 fps. That will be the other end of the scale. ( See "Brian Shoots" for a 10 secont video on You Tube.)

What do you like for cape buffalo? Cheers, Brian

Brian,
I have shot buff with a 470,& a 500/416,both worked well.

27 June 2016, 20:20

MidgetIdjit

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Naki, Thanks for the post, The only 358 bullet that CEB shows is their ER-150-Raptor. I will sure load it for hunting non-dangerous game. It would strech out the range of the 350RM. Cheers, Brian

I took my 350RM with 175gr Raptors to Zimbabwe in 2012 for plains game. PH was impressed with it's performance.

Using TAC, I'm getting a bit over 3000fps out of my M700.

27 June 2016, 20:31

Brian Canada

Bill73, Now those are apropriate cartridges. When the 500-416 first came out it must have been viewed as a real "hot rod." Thanks for the post, Brian

27 June 2016, 20:49

Brian Canada

MidgetIdjit, Thanks for the post. That would be a real plains game hammer, I think.

Did you like those CEB Raptor bullets? The are some very experience hunters that swear by them.
A 175 grain raptor bullet would be nice and long. I have found the 160 grain on their web site but not the 175 gr. They might have discontinued it.

Does your M700 have a 24 inch barrel? I am rebarreling my ruger 350RM and can't decide how long to make the barrel. (I like long barrels.)
Thanks again for the info, Brian

27 June 2016, 21:14

LJS

Every time I see a post like this and see the responses from hunters who used rifles on the lower end of the power spectrum I wish I could ask if a PH was standing at their shoulder with a 458. I don't think you would see many hunting alone and using these calibers. In my limited experience I have found that a buffalo that has seen you and you are pushing is a totally different animal than one unaware. I have always felt my rifle should be more than adequate should my PH or his weapon be out of action. I like the 416s for buffalo!

27 June 2016, 21:45

MidgetIdjit

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Canada:
MidgetIdjit, Thanks for the post. That would be a real plains game hammer, I think.

Did you like those CEB Raptor bullets? The are some very experience hunters that swear by them.
A 175 grain raptor bullet would be nice and long. I have found the 160 grain on their web site but not the 175 gr. They might have discontinued it.

Does your M700 have a 24 inch barrel? I am rebarreling my ruger 350RM and can't decide how long to make the barrel. (I like long barrels.)
Thanks again for the info, Brian

The bullets were some prototypes that CEB sent me. Don't know if they went into production.

From 50 yards on the hyena and kudu to the 200 yard shot on the zebra, everything dropped where it stood.

Not sure what barrel length. Want to say 22". Whatever came on the Classic when they released it.

Ray

27 June 2016, 23:01

Brian Canada

Ray, That is wonderful performance. A "bang flop" on a zebra and Kudu is awesome. I never got it.

I keep hearing good and spefic, factual reports of Raptor bullet really killing well.

I think the barrel was 22".

After talking to you I am, for sure, going to try those raptors in my 350RM. Thanks, Brian

28 June 2016, 00:25

bobmn

Here is a link to wet newspaper tests of .375 CEB 235 grain Raptors: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...hp/topics/10853251/1

28 June 2016, 00:37

Fjold

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Frank, One more thing that I have been meaning to talk to you about.
That lovely girl bouncng along in your signature post: She is my daughter. Please clarify your intensions.

Brian.

PS. Stronger note to follow. B

Brian, considering that I found that gif on the internet in the late 1980s she's probably old enough so that age and gravity has made her safe.

Frank

"I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money."
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28 June 2016, 00:46

Brian Canada

Fjold, Whew! That's a relief. Thanks for the update. Brian

28 June 2016, 01:00

Brian Canada

LJS, You hit the nail on the head. For me I would never jack around on cape buffalo with a little rifle if the PH didn't have a good rifle and knew how to use it. ( Those African hunters who are experienced are a different deal than me. They cam safely get away with lots more.)

Your limited experience says the same thing as my limited experience. I agree with what you say, completely. I still would like to try it with a good PH. Brian

28 June 2016, 01:29

Brian Canada

bobmm, That is a very useful test of comparison.
That guy put a lot of work into it. I wonder where he is from in BC.

There were some positive surprises in the research.
- The Hornady GMX and the Speer were pretty impressive. That surprised me.
- No surprises with the Swift and CEB Raptors. I have used Swift on big animals (not DG) and really like them.
Experience hunter say that the Raptors really work. I believe them.
- Accubond and Partitions are over-rated IMO and they met my low expectations in this test.

I am keeping this report on file. Very good stuff. Thanks for posting it, Brian

28 June 2016, 03:27

Nakihunter

The 235 gr Speer Hot Core looks great.

I would be ideal for my 9.5X57 Mannlicher Schoenauer!

28 June 2016, 04:27

TREE 'EM

quote:
Originally posted by Fjold:
quote:
Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Frank, One more thing that I have been meaning to talk to you about.
That lovely girl bouncng along in your signature post: She is my daughter. Please clarify your intensions.

Brian.

PS. Stronger note to follow. B

Brian, considering that I found that gif on the internet in the late 1980s she's probably old enough so that age and gravity has made her safe.

Ahem...
I hate to poke holes in your timeline Frank, but Al Gore didn't invent the internet until 1991

28 June 2016, 04:34

theback40

It really does come down to "the nut behind the butt" as they say. Elgin Gates was so experienced with his 300 wthby he used it on buff and even killed his biggest ele with it and a 200 grn nosler partition.
Gates shot more buff then most, and even stopped a few charges from previously wounded aanimals with brain shots with his .300

28 June 2016, 07:31

Brian Canada

"The nut behind the Butt" I like that and I sure agree. Also, back in the day the Nosler Partition was a much better bullet and considered one of best. I still have some of those old partition bullets in 30 cal. Brian

28 June 2016, 10:05

Christopher Moore

Bob, I have to say I agree with you!!!!

28 June 2016, 10:22

ozhunter

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
It really does come down to "the nut behind the butt" as they say. Elgin Gates was so experienced with his 300 wthby he used it on buff and even killed his biggest ele with it and a 200 grn nosler partition.
Gates shot more buff then most, and even stopped a few charges from previously wounded aanimals with brain shots with his .300

Witnessed a buff just recently hit with ten 300weatherby Partitions that did not instil much confidence.
Although they were not the greatest positioned shots I doubt that many shots certainly would not have been nessasary with a more suitable bullet construction and diameter.

28 June 2016, 10:33

cal pappas

quote:
Originally posted by theback40:
Cal, did they make the 350 Rigby on magnum mauser actions or reg. 98's or both?

I have only seen the .350 on the regular 98 action. Of course, these are the rimless .350s.
Cal

01 July 2016, 22:49

Brian Canada

I got good feedback from some very sensible hunter. Thank you.

Some of you showed concern for the safety ( and sanity) of anyone who would use a 350RM on Cape Buffalo. I appreciate your advice. Not to worry. I am more talk than action on some these notions that cross my mind. I don't think that I would ever intentionally take my 350 RM for a dedicated cape buffalo hunt.
However I sure enjoyied the discussion/education. Thanks again. Brian

01 July 2016, 23:09

Atkinson

Its not in any way a 9.3x62 when both are loaded to their potential...I have shot buffalo with a 7x57 and a 8x57, it was a stunt on my part and not very smart but at the time it was the only rifle that was available to me. Same with the 350 its a stunt to use the 350 on Buffalo, it can be done, but if things go South and they do at times, you just put yourself and your PH in a pickle, and pickles have lead to injury and death..Only on the internet would someone recommend the 350 for Buffalo..

A better question is would you use it without a PH or someone to back you up or would you hunt with a PH who backed you up with one..I wouldn't.