Can someone tell me what the definition of “estate hunt” is as compared to a “high fence hunt”? I am guessing it is related to the amount of acreage in the enclosure, but I am not sure.
I believe SCI is the one that is trying to draw the distinction.
Camshaft

i always thought they were the same, with estate hunt meaning a perhaps smaller property but the size cutoff being nebulous.

"Estate" was the term Casey Schwabland invented to use in the SCI Record Books to distinguish free-ranging animals from those taken in enclosures. She was the chairwoman of the SCI Trophy Records Committee at the time. It has nothing to do with the size of the "estate."

Bill Quimby

I thought it is when a 23 years old blond marries a 80 year old man

I am still looking for an actual definiton and where it can be found. Is it in writing anywhere? If Casey invented it did she wite down the definition somewhere?

Camshaft

camshaft,

free ranging VS penned up waiting for you...

Rich
Buff Killer

I believe that it is different strokes for different folks.

Some people might say or call a lot of land the following:

Wildlife Farm

Wildlife Park

Wildlife Ranch

Wildlife Property

Wildlife Estate

Wildlife Preserve

Wildlife Conservancy

WE could in all of the above substitute the word "Wildlife" with the word "Game"

They are essentially the same thing, all could be fenced to some degree dependant upon the location and/or the species that might exist within.

To expand somewhat we also have Wildlife Game Parks and National Parks which often fall under the state or country umbrella of control, although some governments are playing with the idea of (private enterprise) getting more say and investment within National Parks

WE collectively seem to enjoy using different terminology either to impress or differentiate.

The KEY is to mention the land size, is it fenced, and the topography/bushveld type that then explains more clearly what is going on.

If we want to get more specific we could say a FARM or even a RANCH is either wildife, agricultural or recreational.

Preserves and/or Conservancies tend to be more Wildlife than other. Conservancies are in reality a number of farms or ranches that were combined into a large land mass called a Conservancy, but the end result is still a larger Farm

In Namibia they like to use the word FARM more often than not. In the USA they love the word RANCH as do the game farmers in South Africa.

In Zambia where they have a strong colonial heritage, apart from RANCH, they sometimes, like the British, use the word Wildlife Estate.

Estate to me forms a picture of a rather comfortable thatched home/lodge type dwelling with manicured lawns, vast open land and fields, with domestic and game animals roaming

So dont worry unduly, we humans love to make life difficult and complicated at times, just to be different.

Aint the English language a wonderful thing to keep us all on our toes

Cheers, Peter

Casey died nearly ten years ago, but there was never a definition written down. It was simply a way to say "high-fence" or "game farm/ranch" without the bad connotation that brings to mind.

I sat through a lot of SCI record book committee meetings where size of the "estate" was discussed, and all present agreed it was impossible to set a minimum or maximum size.

A fenced 1,000-acre parcel of thick timber might provide a hunting experience for a white-tailed deer hunter, while a pronghorn antelope couldn't escape anyone in a 5,000-acre enclosure in sagebrush flats.

Bill Quimby

Thanks Bill.
I am going to call Tuscon on Monday but it seems you are in a good postion to answer the question.
Camshaft

Cam,

The difference is the high fence. That's it.

High fence = Estate
No high fence = Free range

Hey 375fanatic, I'm only 59, but I say "Let the hunt begin!" lol

Chuck

quote:

Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Cam, The difference is the high fence. That's it. High fence = Estate
No high fence = Free range

You done broke da code.

Bill Quimby

Just to confuse the esteemed guests a bit more (-:

There are always exceptions to the rule, BUT ....

High Fence = Mostly Considered to be American terminology
Game Fence = Mostly Considered to be African terminology

The GAME FENCES in Southern Africa/SA are mainly (smooth #8 type galvanised wire) 12 - 18 strand & sometimes electrified.

Low Cattle Fence = MOSTLY used in Southern Africa for cattle & domestic animals, generally (but not always) it is barbed wire

Cheers, Peter

Estate hunt = shooting animals in a pen.

quote:

Originally posted by RBHunt:
Estate hunt = shooting animals in a pen.

Almost.

Estate hunting is what I do. Canned hunting is what others do. Get it?

AS I mentioned previously, size does matter ...

before we get our nickers in a twist we MUST ask (what is the size) of the PEN ..

Here is a NZ Estate hunt

Cheers, Peter
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High Peak Estate Trophy Experience:

High Peak is New Zealand’s leading premier Game Estate and the first to be accredited under the Game Estates accreditation process. The property boasts also being the largest estate and offers four and a half thousand acres of prime hunting land, with superb trophies ranging from representative to record class. Situated in the Canterbury High Country, the property is ideally suited to hunting with its attractive yet challenging terrain.

Species on the property include, Red Stag, Fallow bucks, Wild Goat, Feral Sheep, and Wild Boar. Through successful management of game species the estate has been able to consistently produce record book trophies. Backcountry New Zealand believes that your experience at High Peak will provide a mix of quality species, superb terrain and excellent facilities... This style of hunt is suited to hunters who have limited time or who want a guranteed trophy animal, it is an exceptional experience.