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18 November 2012, 08:06

I did not want to post this on the "Charter" costs thread, but thought it might be of interest for our members to know these details.

1. What are the license costs for 10, 21, and 28 days licenses in Tanzania?

2. What are the daily fees paid to the government for anti-poaching, conservation, community development, gun import, ammo import, and any other relevant licenses or fees a hunter would pay to hunt in Tanzania.

3. Daily rates charged by the various outfitters for hunting FULL BAG safaris.

18 November 2012, 09:17

Bwana338

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
I did not want to post this on the "Charter" costs thread, but thought it might be of interest for our members to know these details.

1. What are the license costs for 10, 21, and 28 days licenses in Tanzania?

Daily rates
Talking 1 X 1 Prices will vary throughout the country higher and lower.
10 day about 19,000 to 29,000 observer 5,500 to 8,000
16 day about 41,000 to 58,000 observer 8,800 to 12,000
21 day about 58,000 to 70,000 observer 11,500 to 15,000
28 day about 75,000 to 92,000 observer 15,000 to 20,000
I do not want to dig out my paperwork to look up all the other items...

2. What are the daily fees paid to the government for anti-poaching, conservation, community development, gun import, ammo import, and any other relevant licenses or fees a hunter would pay to hunt in Tanzania.

Firearm import fee - $200 per rifle up to 3 rifles included ammo for rifle
Game scout-anti poaching - $150 per day per person
Visa -
Air Charter or vehicle charge (drive to camp)

3. Daily rates charged by the various outfitters for hunting FULL BAG safaris.

Trophy fees are on top of the Daily fees. The concessions charges for trophy animals can be different between different companies. example one concession will charge 2,500 for a cape Buffalo and another will charge 3,000

18 November 2012, 09:41

Bwanamich

1- Tz does not have 28 day packages. The current license are 10, 16 and 21 days and cost $950, $1250, $1250 respectively. From 2013 they will have 7 day, 14 and 21 day packages (Subject to review) with the following respective costs $1250, $1100 and $1000.

2- Additional Gov Fees are: $150 per day per hunter Conservation fees, $100 per day per observer Conservation fee, $400 Trophy handling fee for 10 day package and $500 Trophy handling for all other packages. The firearm import costs $120 per rifle. Ammo is taxed at $0.25 per round of any caliber.

In addition, every operator has to contribute $5000 per block to the Government for Community Development. A responsible operator will collect and contribute far more than that to maintain good relations with the communities.

A block fee is $27000 per year. From 2013 these will vary according to block category with the highest block demanding $60k. Others are between $5k to $30k.

The above are Nett Government charges.

18 November 2012, 09:41

Bwana338

quote:
Originally posted by Bwana338:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
I did not want to post this on the "Charter" costs thread, but thought it might be of interest for our members to know these details.

1. What are the license costs for 10, 21, and 28 days licenses in Tanzania?

Daily rates
Talking 1 X 1 Prices will vary throughout the country higher and lower.
10 day about 19,000 to 29,000 observer 5,500 to 8,000
16 day about 41,000 to 58,000 observer 8,800 to 12,000
21 day about 58,000 to 70,000 observer 11,500 to 15,000
28 day about 75,000 to 92,000 observer 15,000 to 20,000
I do not want to dig out my paperwork to look up all the other items...looked up most of what you are looking for.

2. What are the daily fees paid to the government for anti-poaching, conservation, community development, gun import, ammo import, and any other relevant licenses or fees a hunter would pay to hunt in Tanzania.

Firearm import fee - $200 per rifle up to 3 rifles included ammo for rifle
Government license fee $950 - $1,250 varies to length of safari
conservation fee $150 a day per person your Game scout-anti poaching
Visa -
Air Charter or vehicle charge (drive to camp)

3. Daily rates charged by the various outfitters for hunting FULL BAG safaris.

Trophy fees are on top of the Daily fees. The concessions charges for trophy animals can be different between different companies. example one concession will charge 2,500 for a cape Buffalo and another will charge 3,000

Cost of your hunt is daily fees + trophy fees + travel + additional charges

Trophy handling fee of about 2,000 to 3,000 (mine was 2,800) or more depending on number of animals taken.

19 November 2012, 07:51

jdollar

so if you take the cheapest daily rate for a 21 day full bag hunt, it's $58,000. add on all the other "fees" PLUS TROPHY FEES FOR LION AND LEOPARD AND ELEPHANT AND 1 BUFFALO, plus the charter- there is no way in hell you can do that hunt for $80,000 as Mich stated elsewhere- unless the area is devoid of game and therefore "cheap"- obviously a relative term

on the flip side you can easily spend $100,000 or more for a good area.

19 November 2012, 08:18

Saeed

A hunt in Tanzania can be a dream hunt, or a nightmare.

It all depends on whom you hunt with.

A quick search on reports here can tell you with who you can be sure of having a great a,d memorable hunt.

And those who to avoid.

22 November 2012, 00:18

Bwanamich

JD,
you obviously have a bone to pick with me .....though we've never met.

Nowhere did I mention that $80k would include TF. In that "other" discussion, Larry did not mention that the amount he spent included the TF until after my comment.

Let's simply agree to disagree.

Cheers

22 November 2012, 00:39

Saeed

Bwanamich,

I think it is logical for us to understand that a hunt would include trophies fees - at least that is the way I look at the cost of a hunt.

And from the above mentioned costs, it would seem that any hunter taking a 21 day safari in Tanzania, with both lion and leopard on is wish list, in addition to all the other animals, then he is certainly looking at well over $100,000.

Anyway, whichever way we look at it, I think it goes without saying that Zimbabwe is a lot cheaper than Tanzania, regardless of the cost of charters.

22 November 2012, 17:57

Bwanamich

quote:
And from the above mentioned costs, it would seem that any hunter taking a 21 day safari in Tanzania, with both lion and leopard on is wish list, in addition to all the other animals, then he is certainly looking at well over $100,000.

Anyway, whichever way we look at it, I think it goes without saying that Zimbabwe is a lot cheaper than Tanzania, regardless of the cost of charters.

Agree with you Saeed with the proviso that that would be the price with one f the "good" operators. But what would that same cost be if you were only interested in 3 buff, some plains game and 1 ele as Larry hunted? If we want to compare apples to apples, then we would need to know number of hunting days, quality of camp (I'm assuming the Save offers top-notch camps)charters or road transfers, whether the ele's were non-trophy bulls or cows, trophy bulls, tuskless, pac, etc. The same with the buff and what kind of pgs are we talking about?

I am NOT disputing that TZ costs more than Zim to hunt in but I think that one can get a limited bag safari in TZ for close to $80k, TF included.

That said, I do agree totally that on average, TZ is a more expensive hunting destination than Zimbabwe. What I am trying to defend is the notion that TZ outfitter's are charging "extra" to make enormous profits and not because the operating environment and investment models dictate it.

23 November 2012, 08:26

Bwana338

The package for 3 Cape Buffalo , Elephant (trophy bull) and plains game would be a 21 day safari...

Elephant would be charge by the tusk weight...15 kg (33lbs), 27 kg (60lbs), 32 kg (80lbs)
With a 21 safari package you have all game animals on your package.

AS said before, different concessions charge different rates for trophy animals. Check with the concession of your choice for prices.

quote:
Originally posted by Bwanamich:
quote:
And from the above mentioned costs, it would seem that any hunter taking a 21 day safari in Tanzania, with both lion and leopard on is wish list, in addition to all the other animals, then he is certainly looking at well over $100,000.

Anyway, whichever way we look at it, I think it goes without saying that Zimbabwe is a lot cheaper than Tanzania, regardless of the cost of charters.

Agree with you Saeed with the proviso that that would be the price with one f the "good" operators. But what would that same cost be if you were only interested in 3 buff, some plains game and 1 ele as Larry hunted? If we want to compare apples to apples, then we would need to know number of hunting days, quality of camp (I'm assuming the Save offers top-notch camps)charters or road transfers, whether the ele's were non-trophy bulls or cows, trophy bulls, tuskless, pac, etc. The same with the buff and what kind of pgs are we talking about?

I am NOT disputing that TZ costs more than Zim to hunt in but I think that one can get a limited bag safari in TZ for close to $80k, TF included.

That said, I do agree totally that on average, TZ is a more expensive hunting destination than Zimbabwe. What I am trying to defend is the notion that TZ outfitter's are charging "extra" to make enormous profits and not because the operating environment and investment models dictate it.

23 November 2012, 11:36

Idaho Sharpshooter

Saeed,

I have only made three trips to Africa, one to Zim, and two to RSA; but in six annual visits to SCI I have never talked to a PH or hunting company that included anything other than three hots and a cot for the daily rate price of a hunt.

Everything is on a menu that I have seen.

Enlighten me...

Rich

23 November 2012, 16:20

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Saeed,

I have only made three trips to Africa, one to Zim, and two to RSA; but in six annual visits to SCI I have never talked to a PH or hunting company that included anything other than three hots and a cot for the daily rate price of a hunt.

Everything is on a menu that I have seen.

Enlighten me...

Rich

Enlighten you about what?

24 November 2012, 00:00

larryshores

quote:
Originally posted by Bwanamich:
1- Tz does not have 28 day packages. The current license are 10, 16 and 21 days and cost $950, $1250, $1250 respectively. From 2013 they will have 7 day, 14 and 21 day packages (Subject to review) with the following respective costs $1250, $1100 and $1000.

2- Additional Gov Fees are: $150 per day per hunter Conservation fees, $100 per day per observer Conservation fee, $400 Trophy handling fee for 10 day package and $500 Trophy handling for all other packages. The firearm import costs $120 per rifle. Ammo is taxed at $0.25 per round of any caliber.

In addition, every operator has to contribute $5000 per block to the Government for Community Development. A responsible operator will collect and contribute far more than that to maintain good relations with the communities.

A block fee is $27000 per year. From 2013 these will vary according to block category with the highest block demanding $60k. Others are between $5k to $30k.

The above are Nett Government charges.

BM, is this correct? A 21 day license costs less than a 7 day license? Just curious.

24 November 2012, 10:11

Bwanamich

yes it does under the new legislation....... probably a Freudian slip like many other clauses

24 November 2012, 22:26

Bwana338

Saeed
Here is some additional 2013 Tanzania Tourist hunter information, that I found on the internet.

....................... 10 day safari....16 day safari...21 day safari...28 day safari
2013 daily rates....... 13,000.............29,500...........45,000..........55,000
Government fees
Gov. Cons. Fee ........ 1,500..............2,400............3,150...........4,200
Hunting license .......... 950..............1,250............1,250...........1,250
Concession fee .......... 800..............1,600............2,900...........3,500
Trophy handling ........ 1,200..............1,700............2,600...........2,800

The Tanzanian Wildlife Department regulations permit the hunting of both lion and leopard on a 21-day safari and under the following conditions only:
1x1 = one lion and one leopard permit.
2x1 = the clients must share one lion and one leopard permit.
2x2 = each client will have one lion and one leopard permit.
3x2 = the clients will share two lion and two leopard permits.

The minimum legal length for a leopard is 1.30 meters (51.2 inches) from tip of nose to tip of tail, and for crocodile is 3.00 meters (118.1 inches). The minimum legal size of the longest tusk for elephant is 1.60 meters (63.0 inches) or 18 kilograms (40 pounds).

The Tanzanian Wildlife Department allows the following game to be hunted strictly on a 21-day license: elephant, lion, leopard, greater kudu, eland, sable, klipspringer, and hippo.

The minimum caliber for dangerous game is .375 inches (9.3mm). Handgun hunting is strictly forbidden. Bow hunting is closed at this time, but is expected to re-open.

25 November 2012, 02:13

larryshores

Those prices are fairly low from what I have seen.

25 November 2012, 02:35

Bwana338

Larry
agreed, the most inexpensive fees that i have seen, even the trophy fees were the lowest i have come across....

Just go to show that you have to do your research, and checks...

However that were there 2013 advertised costs...with a disclaimer that prices could change.

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Those prices are fairly low from what I have seen.

25 November 2012, 07:00

larryshores

COPIED FROM ANOTHER POST

Posted 25 March 2012 19:00
Outfitter: Danny McCallum Safaris

Agent: Global Hunting Resources

Location: Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

Species: Lion/Leopard/Buffalo & PG packages

Dates: Multiple, please see options below

Folks - Below are some options to hunt this year in Tanzania, with Danny McCallum Safaris, at reduced rates. Danny has a long-time client who brings his son each year on a 2x2, in which they generally hunt lion/leopard, 3-5 buffalo each, etc, etc. They are again booked for September 2012, but because of business obligations, the father/son duo will not be able to make it this year. Thus, opening up some excellent hunting opportunities for this coming season, with some excellent species available.

Lukwati South is an excellent area, with very good game populations. Most notably a large buffalo herd, which is excellent for cats, and rarely can a better place for huge Sable be found. Danny generally guided this special client himself, and always made sure they had an excellent area, and prime opportunities.

Arrival/Departure point is Arusha, Tanzania. See the following link for more info/pictures - http://www.globalhuntingresour...unt-tanzania-dms.htm

1x1 16 day lion hunt
Safari cost $51,400 plus a surcharge of $27,500 if a lion is taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

2x1 16 day lion/leopard hunt
Safari cost $39,400 plus per hunter plus a surcharge of $27,500 for a lion and $20,500 for a leopard if either or both are taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

1x1 14 day leopard hunt
Safari cost $45,800 plus a surcharge of $20,500 if a leopard is taken
Dates 21st July - 3rd August or
19th August - 1st September or
6th - 19th September
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

25 November 2012, 13:03

Michael Robinson

In Tanzania, on a 21-day safari, one is generally in for $50-60K before shooting the first game animal.

If one is successful, then one cannot escape short of $80-100K, depending, of course, on how successful.

But they wouldn't ask so much if they couldn't get it.

25 November 2012, 21:42

Bwanamich

Bwanna 338,

care to share the website you browsed? There are a few innaccuracies quoted eg, bow hunting IS allowed for most species.....

26 November 2012, 23:26

Bwana338

Bwanamich

i just knew i should keep the web link, however i did not.

i have tried different searches to find the original find to no avail. i was looking for Tanzania 2013 safari hunting regulations. or those words in the search line.

i will try again

quote:
Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Bwanna 338,

care to share the website you browsed? There are a few innaccuracies quoted eg, bow hunting IS allowed for most species.....

27 November 2012, 07:31

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Bwanna 338,

care to share the website you browsed? There are a few innaccuracies quoted eg, bow hunting IS allowed for most species.....

There has been a jumber of hunts offered here in the past in Tanzania, which did not make much sense to me in the way teh quota was split between two hunters.

27 November 2012, 08:26

Bwana338

Saeed

I found the information and passed it on in a PM to Bwanamich.
And you also

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Bwanna 338,

care to share the website you browsed? There are a few innaccuracies quoted eg, bow hunting IS allowed for most species.....

There has been a jumber of hunts offered here in the past in Tanzania, which did not make much sense to me in the way teh quota was split between two hunters.