How does it usually work when the client goes hunting for lions for example and they need bait and the client goes to shoot some? Is that animal usually added on to the price tag or is it complementary? This morning on TV a guy shot a hippo and earlier in the show he said he had no idea he had a chance to shoot a hippo before hand. Just curious.

I have always paid.

i have always paid for bait

They usually say read your contract... (wise arse response)

Every animal I shot for my Lion bait I paid full "trophy" trophy fee for.

In some cases there are bait animals that are available for a lower trophy fee, but you don't get the hide or whatever with them.

I have seen a couple of hunts where they said the baits were included, but that's quite unusual.

I've only hunted lion once, but in my experience, you use other animals on quota as bait and pay the trophy fee. The first thing we did in Zambia was to shoot a hippo with the express purpose of getting five baits. Not a bad way to start and a great trophy. After that, we either moved hippo parts or replaced them as needed with other critters.

With leopard, my experience is reduced prices on impala as bait animals.

In Tanzania, where I killed my first lion, one must pay for any animal shot, including plains game used for cat bait - unless the authorities are willing to bend the rules, which, of course, they are bound by law not to do.

I have killed many PG animals for bait in Tanzania, and paid for all of them.

The Tanzanian lion that I finally killed refused all of the baits, and had to be found and tracked.

In Namibia, the rules are less stringent. In the case of my second lion of two so far, a local cattle farmer furnished one of his prized cows for bait.

Unwillingly.

My lion killed it.

We found it, and eventually tracked and shot, and tracked some more, and finally killed, my lion.

You have to pay for any animal you shoot.
In some countries, like Zimbabwe, where they do have females on quota, you can shoot these for bait at less cost.

It is amazing how many people book a lion hunt and completely forget that they need to shoot bait - and pay for it.

Yes, It can get quite expensive if the right Lion plays hard to get and real expensive if there's a lot of female and young prides around.
We recently set a bait for a big Leopard in a tree that we needed to use a ladder. I thought the Leopard would have a hard time getting to, yet the next day the bait was gone taken by a Lion.

You pay for your bait. Donkeys and goats bought in the local tribal areas are actually cheaper where legal but not exactly any fun..shoot goat in pen...walk up to donkey , haggle with owner, shoot...

If you are selling lion hunting you always have to hold enough suitable plains game on quota for bait. Usually Girrafe, Zebra and hippo are the most effective and economical...

How well does live donkey work?

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How well does live donkey work? Roll Eyes

pretty well - but a story.
a few years back jumbo moore had 3 camps in zim. at each camp he left one or two men to watch over it. anyway he was at a camp when he got a call from sampson (head man in other camp) Jumbo we have a problem here. seems as they were using live donkeys for lion bait and the spca lady found out. she come into camp raising cain. but everybody using donkey for bait sampson explained, no, you can not use live donkey says she, back and forth it went, until sampson says we cannot use live donkey as bait?? yes thats right she says, with that sampson pick up an axe and wacks the donkey on the head. the blood spurted out all over the spca lady. so she goes and gets the police. When he found out about it jumbo told sampson that he didn't a problem, sampson did. No no boss i am black you are white, its your problem. so jumbo goes to court. He refused to plead guilty , his lawyer comes up and tells him that for only 10,000 zim he could get off, that him and the prosecutor had made a deal. But what about the judge? don't worry he's in on it too. and so it goes in africa

I have seen elephant meat left from a previous hunter and already paid trophy on, charged to the next client if used as cat bait.

465H&H

Once a donkey was negotiated for and bought and hands shook, then the owner of the donkey heard what it was to be used for....he grabbed his donkey and ran away as fast as his donkey would let him!
All the areas I have hunted, required the client to shoot, and pay, for his own bait. Why the hell else would I have 17 Impala, four Burchell Zebra and a cow Buff?
We did buy the legs of an Ele for Lion bait once from the Camp Mgr.
I understand some areas pre-bait....I have no idea if you are charged for "bait" in such areas.

I was hunting in a Dangerous Game area with Karl Stumpfe and there was little plains game available.What little there was had a price tag higher than giraffe snatch!I wanted to take a hyena so we negotated with a local fellow for one of his donkeys.I think the whole village showed up for his execution.I had been wanting an excuse to shoot Karl's big rifle and he offered it for this duty.

The chosen one was brought over and tethered beside the truck and a center forehead shot was placed from three feet.Mission accomplished.

We loaded the beast and brought him back to camp to be butchered.When we unloaded the donkey Karl insisted that I pose with him for the trophy photos.LOL Afterwards the fellows reduced him to four baits and had the back straps saved for themselves to make supper.
Later they complained that he was not a very fat donkey and that we could have chosen better.The hyena's must have agreed as we never got one feeding on our baits and a few days later we abandoned them to seek elephant elsewhere.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
I have seen elephant meat left from a previous hunter and already paid trophy on, charged to the next client if used as cat bait.

465H&H

They charge for the meat because it has value, either to the crocodile farms or as biltong. The "trophy fee" that the previous hunter paid covered the "trophy", not the entire animal.

A substantial portion of the profit made on a hunt comes from the sale of the meat.

Interesting different people's expereinces with baits. I've never heard of charging for any part of a bait animal that someone else shot. Often times it is beneficial to have another hunter in camp if you are cat hunting so you can use the carcasses of their trophies for bait. In fact if someone asked me to pay I'd expect I was getting taken advantage of.

I have always paid for baits that I shot and often at full trophy fee prices. On private land such as the Zim conservancies baits can and are available at lower prices but generally you'll pay full fair as only so many of each animal is available on quota.

Mark

I've run into two circumstances on this issue when lion hunting. The first was with a hunt with TGT in Moyowosi. Just as others have described, you shoot animals for bait and all are added to your trophy list. This sounds easy enough, but in the case with TGT, the bait animals all have to be trophy quality, not just something representative.
This created a severe problem during a big portion of my hunt due to the inability to find trophy quality bait. We were desperately needing to get fresh bait hung but couldn't find anything that met the standards of the safari company. At one point we went for 7 straight days without pulling the trigger, and this was at a critical point in the hunt in regards to impacting our lion hunting success. We finally got some fresh bait, but the delay, in my opinion, was a factor in not getting a lion on that hunt.
On my second lion safari in the Selous such severe trophy standards for bait were absent, a welcome factor that I believe made that lion hunt a success.

Just back from Zim. % goats played the trick with Mr. Spots while hunting for hippo. 40 bucks each but couldn´t bring the goats trophy home If anthon Jumps in I will send him the photos of the super cat i shot on a goat bait . Of course on the last day I shot my hippo AND the leopard. pure luck. A hippo on the first day would have saved the lives of those beautiful goats so bad luck for them. I was not really on leopard but as I was unable to shoot one on April with hounds after 12 days and 5 cows they told me to try on my fishing hunting trip in sirinda. No extra fee in daily rates. No leopards shoot there in 8 years. Tigers on fly BIIIIIg bshback hippo and leopard. this has been a good year for me. lion, 90 pound elephant,bufffalo, leopard mhippo and a lot of bolinga partys. life is good

@Diego

Send em over, you lucky ... !

You think you're getting anything free on a safari? Silly boy!

What worked out well for me on a lion hunt in Tanzania was that there was another hunter in camp after buffalo and plains game.

He and his ph would shoot something, skin it and then hang it up for us. Thus we had not only the baits I shot and paid for but those that Bill shot also and I did not have to pay for.

It was his zebra carcass that the lion was killed on.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
How well does live donkey work?

My dad used them successfully on Tiger in 1961!! They also bray in alarm & that helped him to set up the machan later that day.

Best to have a buff and hippo on license as well....lions like BIG baits. And yes, full price for your bait animals.

Gary
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GarBy:
Best to have a buff and hippo on license as well....lions like BIG baits.

Gary
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Absolutely.

Killed my last one one a poached Elephant carcass. No T-Fees.

@ozhunter
On a poached elephant is a special way to hunt a lion. Where did you hunt it?

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Originally posted by dwarf416:
Just back from Zim. % goats played the trick with Mr. Spots while hunting for hippo. 40 bucks each but couldn´t bring the goats trophy home If anthon Jumps in I will send him the photos of the super cat i shot on a goat bait . Of course on the last day I shot my hippo AND the leopard. pure luck. A hippo on the first day would have saved the lives of those beautiful goats so bad luck for them. I was not really on leopard but as I was unable to shoot one on April with hounds after 12 days and 5 cows they told me to try on my fishing hunting trip in sirinda. No extra fee in daily rates. No leopards shoot there in 8 years. Tigers on fly BIIIIIg bshback hippo and leopard. this has been a good year for me. lion, 90 pound elephant,bufffalo, leopard mhippo and a lot of bolinga partys. life is good

Did you use living goats or butchered ones?

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Originally posted by Spring:
I've run into two circumstances on this issue when lion hunting. The first was with a hunt with TGT in Moyowosi. Just as others have described, you shoot animals for bait and all are added to your trophy list. This sounds easy enough, but in the case with TGT, the bait animals all have to be trophy quality, not just something representative.
This created a severe problem during a big portion of my hunt due to the inability to find trophy quality bait. We were desperately needing to get fresh bait hung but couldn't find anything that met the standards of the safari company. At one point we went for 7 straight days without pulling the trigger, and this was at a critical point in the hunt in regards to impacting our lion hunting success. We finally got some fresh bait, but the delay, in my opinion, was a factor in not getting a lion on that hunt.
On my second lion safari in the Selous such severe trophy standards for bait were absent, a welcome factor that I believe made that lion hunt a success.

In Moyowosi: Surely you must have had the customary 2 Zebra on license - or had you already utilized them?

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fujotupu

Yes, we had zebras on license and had them up. You usually need more than that for multiple lion baits after a while. It was basically week 2 of a 3 week hunt that had a bait drought.