DSC- who is going ?

13 January 2025, 07:39

K Evans

quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Fisk:
KARL SAID"Saeed, it is definitely NOT the DSC Rebecca and I joined 20 years ago and devoted thousands of hours and lots of dollars to help the club become one of the premier "

Yep. I remember you hobbling around the foor. As not a big name game booth, you still stopped by my booth, talked with me a bit and asked did i need help with anything. Good people helping like that makes a good club.

With the new folks direction i now understand the Christmas poem where "I rushed to the window and threw up the sash".

Jerry, I do remember hobbling around on a knee walker and I remember visiting with you. There are still some good people doing the right thing , just not directing the club, I’m afraid. I really hope you are doing well, and I do try to keep the sharp end pointed away! Thanks!

13 January 2025, 08:16

Saeed

Got a message from one of our members.

Basically saying SCI was started on the promise of self glorifications.

Some members were not too impressed, so they started their own club.

DSC.

Had a great time growing, and basically was what a hunting club should be.

Then it was taken over by a new self glorifying lot!

And just look where it is going??!!

SCI has been in sort of turmoil for years.

Each time they get a new president, the promise was it will get better.

Never worked.

Because the basic design was wrong from day one!

13 January 2025, 16:11

Todd Williams

I was going to post a similar photo of the Sash crowd I received from a friend but won't since it's already been posted.

One thing I do want to say is we should encourage my buddy, Dave Fulson, to come back on AR and give some insight to the DSC leadership change and debacle that followed. Dave tried to give us some inner workings commentary a while back and got criticized pretty strongly. I think some thought he was part of the new leadership group but in speaking with him recently, Dave tells me the reason Safari Classics lost the DSC gig is because he and Tim fought and strongly disagreed with the new leadership's change in direction.

I'm just a hunter that enjoys the shows. I don't have knowledge of the organization's politics like Dave and Karl, but I hate to hear that the DSC show failed as badly as it did. Lots of outfitters and exhibitors went a long way to participate only to be completely let down. Yes, weather was a major factor. It's the reason I wasn't able to get there. That said, the weather isn't 100% to blame. I remember when the announcement was made and all the non-Dallas area folks telling us how great the move would be for the club. I was dubious. My position, and I still believe it to be so, is DSC is a more regional organization and less able to benefit from a move out of the area. With the weather we had this past weekend, folks like myself, would have missed 1 day of the show due to icy roads, but we'd have been there other days. I suspect the vast majority of past DSC attendees, being somewhat local, would have been able to make the drive as well.

At this point, I'd normally say YMMV, BUT, maybe not!

13 January 2025, 17:08

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Jeez, the guy who won looks like a corpse…..

13 January 2025, 17:33

jorge

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
It was truly an ill advised move on the part of DSC, at a hotel.
To Saeed’s question, yes, pretty much the same few guys running the show at DSC, except the CEO left for greener pastures and time will tell if the new guy falls in line or is strong enough to make changes (or leaves).
Like Larry, I’ve heard some not-so-good stories about DSC leadership but haven’t seen proof positive so won’t pass along.
They did lie and no one appreciates being lied to.
On a positive note, the City of Dallas has finally hired a Construction Manager at Risk for Phase 1, which is the Academy of Black Arts and Letters, believe that is the current name, and auditorium on SE corner, so some sort of construction should begin in the near future.
I was told by a reliable source that DSC has signed a contract for 2030 at Dallas convention center, I also told that TTHA has a 3 year contract and a 3 year option, which would include 2030.
Some sponsors aren’t happy with the move and one major sponsor told me last month that if the show in Atlanta isn’t a really good show that he felt like the “fat lady would be warming up”.

They should have hired me, Karl

We cancelled at the last minute due to the WX situation and other personal issues. To this day I am convinced DSC could have pulled this off in Dallas.
I hope they can recover. The convention was one of the highlights of our calendar. We miss it.

13 January 2025, 17:39

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Jeez, the guy who won looks like a corpse…..

Let us hope DSC doesn’t end up being one too!

13 January 2025, 17:42

dogcat

As an aside and a different view, my son went to the show with some local guys and they loved it. They said it was great, no issues and hope it stays in ATL. He had attended in Dallas a couple of times and said he liked ATL better.

13 January 2025, 19:39

505 gibbs

Almost All trade organizations have a life cycle.

1) Honeymoon Phase: Customers and Vendors are enamored with the collection of new concentrations. Relationships expand and opportunities with them.

2) Work Phase: Everyone sees the value the organization brings, there is much work to be done and many people to do it.

3) Contentment phase: The organization has survived what was viewed as the "hard years" (Little do they know). the workers start jockeying for position and the benefit it brings. The parasitic settle in and the workers that are there for the "right reasons" drift away.

4) Invasion Phase: The parasites infestation becomes less organic and more aggressive. It is usually highlighted by favoritism, compulsion of the membership, bloating of bureaucracies. Members are pushed to give more (usually because of some perceived threat or moral high ground) yet they start to feel they are receiving less value.

5) Peak Infection Phase: There is a clear bifurcation of the membership. Members are paying/working/giving more yet receiving less value. A few "board/committee heads" are clearly exercising control, extracting advantage and consolidating their positions.

6) Control Phase: The minority that continues to extract max value from the organization begins threatening the membership that actually supports the organization and keeps it alive. Positions or opportunities will be forfeited if the dissenting member doesn't comply. Members will be pushed to signed binding contracts. The organization will become less willing to proceed on its own merit. Members will begin trying to quantify what value they receive for their investment. They will soon learn that the only downside to failing to participate is the conspicuousness of their absence. The benefiting parasites will twist and leverage this fear.

7) Terminal Phase: This is when the organization can no longer support itself under the weight of corruption and selfishness. Unfortunately, it is the last opportunity those that truly care about is have to do some good. The best response is to walk away (sometimes for years), allow it to collapse under its weight, the parasites to scurry off to look for meals elsewhere then pick up the pieces and rebuild (to start the cycle again).

13 January 2025, 19:51

jorge

Good post, Gibbs. I've been a life member since 2007 and can identify exactly when these kinds of actions took place. To me, one of the most telling ones was when they kicked members out of the Omni and instead gave all the vendors first priority on reservations...

13 January 2025, 20:50

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Almost All trade organizations have a life cycle.

1) Honeymoon Phase: Customers and Vendors are enamored with the collection of new concentrations. Relationships expand and opportunities with them.

2) Work Phase: Everyone sees the value the organization brings, there is much work to be done and many people to do it.

3) Contentment phase: The organization has survived what was viewed as the "hard years" (Little do they know). the workers start jockeying for position and the benefit it brings. The parasitic settle in and the workers that are there for the "right reasons" drift away.

4) Invasion Phase: The parasites infestation becomes less organic and more aggressive. It is usually highlighted by favoritism, compulsion of the membership, bloating of bureaucracies. Members are pushed to give more (usually because of some perceived threat or moral high ground) yet they start to feel they are receiving less value.

5) Peak Infection Phase: There is a clear bifurcation of the membership. Members are paying/working/giving more yet receiving less value. A few "board/committee heads" are clearly exercising control, extracting advantage and consolidating their positions.

6) Control Phase: The minority that continues to extract max value from the organization begins threatening the membership that actually supports the organization and keeps it alive. Positions or opportunities will be forfeited if the dissenting member doesn't comply. Members will be pushed to signed binding contracts. The organization will become less willing to proceed on its own merit. Members will begin trying to quantify what value they receive for their investment. They will soon learn that the only downside to failing to participate is the conspicuousness of their absence. The benefiting parasites will twist and leverage this fear.

7) Terminal Phase: This is when the organization can no longer support itself under the weight of corruption and selfishness. Unfortunately, it is the last opportunity those that truly care about is have to do some good. The best response is to walk away (sometimes for years), allow it to collapse under its weight, the parasites to scurry off to look for meals elsewhere then pick up the pieces and rebuild (to start the cycle again).

So very accurate.

I did ~10-11 years on the BOD of the Phoenix Chapter SCI. In the begging, it was fun and all the board members were fun, helpful and knew countless people in the community.

Our fundraisers were insanely profitable and very well attended. The donations from the multitude of long held personal relationships was priceless.

As new guys came around, the award type guys, things changed. They had contacts with SCI national that was just down the road, in Tucson. The pollution began, long time members left, the fundraisers flailed and soon SCI stepped in to combine the old Chapter with another start-up, competing chapter.

I’ve completely lost touch with anyone and can’t comment on the current standing, but your timeline is accurate.

13 January 2025, 23:20

K Evans

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Jeez, the guy who won looks like a corpse…..

Let us hope DSC doesn’t end up being one too!

Couple of fine sumbitches in that photo

, and he does look like a corpse!

13 January 2025, 23:23

MJines

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:

. . . why the future of safari hunting looks dim summed up in one picture.

14 January 2025, 02:01

K Evans

quote:
[IMG]https://malagarasiriver.com/2024

. . . why the future of safari hunting looks dim summed up in one picture.

Yep, afraid you might be correct

14 January 2025, 02:36

Skyline

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Ugh! That's just pathetic.

14 January 2025, 02:39

K Evans

I’ve spoken to or messaged several DSC exhibitors, vast majority said their show was a bust, some said they got a few bookings, one large exhibitor said they did less business during the show than they normally did in the first day in Dallas, said they aren’t going back, one exhibitor said he did exceptionally well, PWT, (Gracy Travel had a booth at TTHA that was busy as well).
I was told by one group that DSC told them that DSC told the group that they, too, are in this mess and it’s not their fault and that all of the liars are gone from positions of power. Total bullshit! They are trying to play victim, and they still stand by the lie that they had to move because of construction!
There is more, too. A few years ago the powers that be dropped PHASA support and backed the Custodians, SA. I thought it was OK to support Custodians, but think they should’ve kept supporting PHASA as well, got ignored. Now, they are trying to repair relations with PHASA and the Custodians seem to be fading away. Mostly same bunch of people that are responsible for the Atlanta mess.

14 January 2025, 03:11

505 gibbs

Why did they move? Why did they choose Atlanta?

14 January 2025, 03:52

K Evans

quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Why did they move? Why did they choose Atlanta?

I was told that there was no where in Texas that could accommodate a show the size of DSC and Atlanta provided the best venue with the best air connections, and could give the preferred dates. They story line was that the convention center in Dallas was going to be torn down (partly true) and that DSC “had” to move because there would be no way for exhibitors to move in, which wasn’t and still isn’t true, DSC is not the only group that uses the convention center and trucks still have to have access to the loading docks.

14 January 2025, 07:06

Saeed

I suspect some money has changed hands!

As always, when something does not make sense, follow the money!

14 January 2025, 07:44

DCS Member

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
quote:
Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
Why did they move? Why did they choose Atlanta?

I was told that there was no where in Texas that could accommodate a show the size of DSC and Atlanta provided the best venue with the best air connections, and could give the preferred dates. They story line was that the convention center in Dallas was going to be torn down (partly true) and that DSC “had” to move because there would be no way for exhibitors to move in, which wasn’t and still isn’t true, DSC is not the only group that uses the convention center and trucks still have to have access to the loading docks.

They should’ve contacted Jerry Jones to use Cowboys Stadium or the Star because their season is almost always over in January….

14 January 2025, 10:56

470EDDY

505 GIBBS- WELL STATED!!

14 January 2025, 17:46

ChristopheMorio

I am just back home in France this morning from the DSC convention. For us , CONGO FOREST SAFARIS it was the best show ever, much better than Dallas ...

14 January 2025, 18:06

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by ChristopheMorio:
I am just back home in France this morning from the DSC convention. For us , CONGO FOREST SAFARIS it was the best show ever, much better than Dallas ...

Good Morning Christophe -

I'm happy that you had a great show. I think that your offering is so very specialized that people come to specifically speak to you, about very specific hunts.

For the "General bag Safari" guys, people probably come and tend to shop around more.

It's the reason I never do shows anymore. If I have specific desire, I go and speak to that person directly, like I would with you.

Point being, In my opinion, for a specialist such as yourself, It may not matter where the show is.

But just walking around to see what strikes my fancy, no interest anymore. The shows all look the same, feel the same.

14 January 2025, 20:25

fairgame

quote:
Originally posted by ChristopheMorio:
I am just back home in France this morning from the DSC convention. For us , CONGO FOREST SAFARIS it was the best show ever, much better than Dallas ...

Congratulations

14 January 2025, 20:30

vvreddy

The last time Atlanta saw measurable snowfall was on December 26, 2022, when a winter storm brought 0.1 inches of snow to parts of the metro area. Before that, the city experienced a light dusting in 2018

Friday was three inches of wet snow and some ice as well. Roads were tough, especially for people not used to snow and thousands of flights were cancelled.

Even though it affected us as well, to be fair it is not possible to make any judgements about the show due to the weather event.
I will say from attending other shows there that the layout of that convention center sucks. You have to make your way past three floors of meeting rooms to get to the convention floor. It should be the other way around.

14 January 2025, 20:58

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by ChristopheMorio:
I am just back home in France this morning from the DSC convention. For us , CONGO FOREST SAFARIS it was the best show ever, much better than Dallas ...

That is what we all like to hear!

15 January 2025, 01:28

MARK H. YOUNG

Folks,

I talked to one of my guys in Zim who said he had a good show and my guy in Uganda did very well. I think for most of the operators there were few forward booking. Hopefully SCI will be much better.

Mark

15 January 2025, 07:44

Texas Blue Devil

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Jeez, the guy who won looks like a corpse…..

Let us hope DSC doesn’t end up being one too!

Couple of fine sumbitches in that photo , and he does look like a corpse!

That photo looks so bad. They are proud of those ridiculous sashes!!! Unbelievable!!

15 January 2025, 07:45

Texas Blue Devil

quote:
Originally posted by vvreddy:
The last time Atlanta saw measurable snowfall was on December 26, 2022, when a winter storm brought 0.1 inches of snow to parts of the metro area. Before that, the city experienced a light dusting in 2018

Friday was three inches of wet snow and some ice as well. Roads were tough, especially for people not used to snow and thousands of flights were cancelled.

Even though it affected us as well, to be fair it is not possible to make any judgements about the show due to the weather event.
I will say from attending other shows there that the layout of that convention center sucks. You have to make your way past three floors of meeting rooms to get to the convention floor. It should be the other way around.

There were no weather issues on Thursday.

15 January 2025, 08:37

DCS Member

We’ve had ice storms, snow storms, freezing temperatures, and also nearly tropical temperatures in Dallas for the convention over the years. There always seemed to be a decent turnout.

Shoot, I forgot we had sub freezing temperatures, snow, icy overpasses, also DFW ran out of de-icing solution for their runways and ordered a stop down, yet the show here did well for the first time.

15 January 2025, 18:56

crackerman

Last years DSC was my first show and I had a great time. I really liked the vibe and as a guy new to Safari shows (but not trade shows) I felt very welcomed by 90% of the vendors and I was not going to book a hunt.

Booked my hunt a few months later and I was really looking forward to talk to some vendors and look at fishing trips for my son and I but sounds like I got lucky that Delta cancelled my flight with 12 hours notice.

I am going to SCI instead if the weather holds out and from there will decide what I go see in 2026

15 January 2025, 22:14

medved

quote:
Originally posted by ChristopheMorio:
I am just back home in France this morning from the DSC convention. For us , CONGO FOREST SAFARIS it was the best show ever, much better than Dallas ...

very good news and good hunting season to come. take care.

15 January 2025, 22:58

huntfish1963

I live in Atlanta and wasn't able to make the show due to either work or weather. But if it hadn't been for this board or another, I wouldn't have even known about the show. There was absolutely no local marketing done by DSC while on the other hand, both the Boat Show and the Travel Show was widely marketed locally.

16 January 2025, 02:23

Jerry Huffaker

quote:
Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:
quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Is this the New DSC?

SASHES INCORPORATED??

Presenting Outstanding Hunter Achievement Award?

Or this just SELF GLORIFICATION?

Does NOT sound like the old DSC we have all come to know!!

Jeez, the guy who won looks like a corpse…..

Let us hope DSC doesn’t end up being one too!

Couple of fine sumbitches in that photo , and he does look like a corpse!

That photo looks so bad. They are proud of those ridiculous sashes!!! Unbelievable!!

Good Grief this is terrible, I wonder who's idea that was?