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Angola???
05 December 2013, 21:59
WandererAngola???
During the next year or so I will be making several trips to Angola. Be very easy for me to extend my stay for a week or ten days on one of these trips if there was some kind of hunting opportunity there. I know it used to be a great hunting destination but I haven't heard anything recently. Anyone know of an opportunity or a contact?
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05 December 2013, 22:53
Safari2If and when it opens it will be in the southeast part of the country around the Luiana Partial Reserve in the old Mucusso/Mavinga Coutada's.
A couple of years ago the Whittall's from Zimbabwe were making inroads but nothing came of it.
I would love to see it happen.
06 December 2013, 03:17
boarkillerBotswana replacement.
That would be great.
Just like any other business, you don't wanna do business someone else will.
Maybe someone in Angola gov will wake up.
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06 December 2013, 09:38
lavacaAlways wanted to hunt Angola. If it doesn't open, I may have to satisfy myself with a fishing trip.
06 December 2013, 10:53
jdollarthey have probably the largest tarpon in the world..
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06 December 2013, 15:44
Jan DumonAngola is seen as one of the most corrupt countries in Africa. I would think it extremely hard to run an outfit there . Not sure how much game is left after the war ? During the 70's to mid 80's numbers plummeted as hundreds of thousands of head of game was butchered.
11 December 2013, 08:23
lavacaJan:
Understood and you are correct, but that was 30+ years ago. I also understand that without hunting, poaching will continue, but I still would like to know what is there. And whatever is or is not there, I'd still like to go. As I said, it might be just an expensive fishing trip.
11 December 2013, 08:29
SaeedI heard there are discussion that hunting MIGHT re-open in Angola in 2014.
Nothing certain yet.
11 December 2013, 18:16
threadfinGuys,
I have lived here, in Luanda, pretty much my whole life. When I hunt I go to Zim/Namibia,etc. There is undoubtedly game left in the SE of Angola, but Angola is still one of the most mined countries in the world, with most of the fighting done in the south.
Now fishing is another story and it is what has kept me here. we have good offshore fishing and inshore fishing, but this too is taking a hammering from all comers.
Just my 0.02c
11 December 2013, 18:33
bwana cecilquote:
Angola is still one of the most mined countries in the world
Nothing more exciting than following spore & wondering IF you are going to get blown up!
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11 December 2013, 18:53
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by threadfin:
Guys,
I have lived here, in Luanda, pretty much my whole life. When I hunt I go to Zim/Namibia,etc. There is undoubtedly game left in the SE of Angola, but Angola is still one of the most mined countries in the world, with most of the fighting done in the south.
Now fishing is another story and it is what has kept me here. we have good offshore fishing and inshore fishing, but this too is taking a hammering from all comers.
I have reliable reports of elephant from Botswana moving to Luiana PR and surronds.
Have you ever been to this area?
Just my 0.02c
11 December 2013, 19:13
stradlingI worked with Whittall few years back on the project
Agrarian Research measured the areas, mapped the mine battle grounds, bifurcated 7 hunting concessions, talked to major south African safari company s like Gary Kelly, Johan and others
the politics were not there at that time
the only funder was Roger and some input from Gram Taylor he first found the deal
the main development group fell apart when it came time for heavy lifting
hope it comes back
while working on it for several months I learned that the kwando river system once opened up would be the next grand safari in all of Africa
if some one will post the pic I will email the map we prepared on the project showing general location and project features send a pm w email
Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
11 December 2013, 19:41
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by stradling:
I worked with Whittall few years back on the project
Agrarian Research measured the areas, mapped the mine battle grounds, bifurcated 7 hunting concessions, talked to major south African safari company s like Gary Kelly, Johan and others
the politics were not there at that time
the only funder was Roger and some input from Grant Taylor he first found the deal
the main development group fell apart when it came time for heavy lifting
hope it comes back
while working on it for several months I learned that the kwando river system once opened up would be the next grand safari in all of Africa
if some one will post the pic I will email the map we prepared on the project showing general location and project features send a pm w email
Thanks stradling..could someone help post the pic?
12 December 2013, 09:30
lavacabwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
12 December 2013, 12:09
threadfinquote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
bwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
Angola still has an estimated 10-20 million mines in the ground and they don't have a "best before date" on them. There are an estimated 70,000 amputees and the list continues to grow. That my friend is a mine for every member of the population and some spares for visitors. Maybe you should come and join the de miners if you want to know what life is worth. I on the other hand am scared sh1tless at the idea of losing any of my limbs.
12 December 2013, 12:21
SaeedI think being blown up by a past terrorist mine is the last thing I wish to be part of.
I have done some pretty stupid things in my younger days - and am still living to tell the tales.
Those were the carefree days when one had no family to think of and look after.
Going hunting in an area known to have mines will be the last place I wish to go.
12 December 2013, 13:51
BrettAKSCIquote:
Originally posted by threadfin:
Angola still has an estimated 10-20 million mines
That's staggering!
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12 December 2013, 18:20
stradlingroots of peace
send them a generous Xmas present
here is the foot print of the project
http://agrarian.org/index.php?...icle&id=45&Itemid=38
Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
12 December 2013, 21:58
WandererThanks for all the information. Looks like I'll need to make other plans. Might go fishing though.
Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do.
13 December 2013, 08:05
leopards valley safarisquote:
Originally posted by Wanderer:
Thanks for all the information. Looks like I'll need to make other plans. Might go fishing though.
Hop on a plane down south an do a 7-10 day plains game in SA.its a 2 -3 hr flight
13 December 2013, 08:43
jdollarquote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
bwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
so 10-20 million mines don't concern you. of course, they are old
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13 December 2013, 09:33
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
bwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
I'd love to go too.
For the sake of furthering the discussion, what would be the hypothetical scenario for developing a hunting area including clearing mines? UN funded mine sweeping teams or companies? Feral goats? Military surplus metal detectors? I'd think the mines and other bombs would be strategically located so discovering/ retrieving them should be plannable?
Heck, a client hunter is usually third or fourth in line behind the trackers and ph so I'll go. If they make it I will too.
13 December 2013, 10:48
Rule 303quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
bwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
I'd love to go too.
For the sake of furthering the discussion, what would be the hypothetical scenario for developing a hunting area including clearing mines? UN funded mine sweeping teams or companies? Feral goats? Military surplus metal detectors? I'd think the mines and other bombs would be strategically located so discovering/ retrieving them should be plannable?
Heck, a client hunter is usually third or fourth in line behind the trackers and ph so I'll go. If they make it I will too.
That would depened upon how the mines were laid. Were they surveyed in -I would think not. Were they placed in a pattern or hapazardly put where ever. Were all placed so as to direct soliders into fire zones/protect approach routes or just laid so as to make areas unuseable to general population. So the list goes on.
If you follow some one make sure you step in their footprints and with old munitions it is still no gaurantee.
Think I'll stay out of Angola.
13 December 2013, 12:22
johnfoxquote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
So are the cluster munitions the US dropped in Cambodia and Laos forty five years ago and they're still killing and maiming.
13 December 2013, 14:33
DCS Memberquote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
bwana cecil has no sense of humour.
Most were picked up. Noone has set mines in decades. Of the mines that were not picked up, those that were set and not triggered or picked up are really old.
I still want to go. To quote known communist, Jean-Paul Sartre, "To know what life is worth, you have to risk it once in a while."
Don't agree with much Sartre said, but in that quote he nailed it.
I'd love to go too.
For the sake of furthering the discussion, what would be the hypothetical scenario for developing a hunting area including clearing mines? UN funded mine sweeping teams or companies? Feral goats? Military surplus metal detectors? I'd think the mines and other bombs would be strategically located so discovering/ retrieving them should be plannable?
Heck, a client hunter is usually third or fourth in line behind the trackers and ph so I'll go. If they make it I will too.
Do we run goats to figure it out?
I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.
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13 December 2013, 14:59
threadfinThe biggest problem of mine removal is cost. Because of this all efforts are being focused around towns, villages, roads, etc = game already poached out! It takes a demining team +/- 1 day to clear an area equivalent to 1/2 a football field! While there are a lot of marked mine fields thousands (or?) were dropped by retreating troops during firefights, to slow down pursuit, so they are basically anywhere there was fighting. The reality is mines will never be cleared out in the wild blue yonder, it doesn't make economic sense. So while there must still be plenty of game in the SE of Angola, it is not on my "to do list"
FWIW.
13 December 2013, 16:54
donnerWell Danita and Norad have been clearing mines in Angola for 10 years now plenty years to go before they have cleared everywhere....
13 December 2013, 19:18
stradlinglife is risk
more so in a mine field yes
lots of hunt able ground in south east Angola
its about relationships and money
Scott king is spot on what worked for snakes also works for this
Scott you can not believe the place
I shot an el just off the border year after i did the work in Angola about 2 miles in to Namibia 300 head herds moving back and forth there on the border last I was there
pm me your email Scott
i will shoot you a clip or two of the video our team took along the river the year we did the work in Angola
I don't know if you remember me I was the guy that developed the road alignment for your grant lake hydro last year [did the Arial mapping and conceptual project design work with Mark Storm]
we presented that to your co op board in April you might recall
its interesting when you go with the sans bushman trackers the old guys will not walk out in to the open with out a quick look around
a hang over reflex from the civil war tracking they did back in the day
they are not looking for mine fields though they all know where the fields are
they are reacting to the get seen get shot at reflex
amazing to catch one do that every now and then
that must have been one hell of a fight
Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
13 December 2013, 20:26
Scott Kingquote:
Originally posted by stradling:
life is risk
more so in a mine field yes
lots of hunt able ground in south east Angola
its about relationships and money
Scott king is spot on what worked for snakes also works for this
Scott you can not believe the place
I shot an el just off the border year after i did the work in Angola about 2 miles in to Namibia 300 head herds moving back and forth there on the border last I was there
pm me your email Scott
i will shoot you a clip or two of the video our team took along the river the year we did the work in Angola
I don't know if you remember me I was the guy that developed the road alignment for your grant lake hydro last year [did the Arial mapping and conceptual project design work with Mark Storm]
we presented that to your co op board in April you might recall
its interesting when you go with the sans bushman trackers the old guys will not walk out in to the open with out a quick look around
a hang over reflex from the civil war tracking they did back in the day
they are not looking for mine fields though they all know where the fields are
they are reacting to the get seen get shot at reflex
amazing to catch one do that every now and then
that must have been one hell of a fight
Pm sent momentarily.
Theres no "Rubber meets the road," for me here because at the moment I've got less disposable income than,....well,.....everybody. Despite that truth, I just can't help it, anytime I read or see something like this thread, I feel like I just gotta see it. Rifle or no, Dog, Wife or common sense along or not, I really wanna go!
Over Thanksgiving I flew south and trailered a boat down Baja for a week of fishing. We had a couple destinations in mind and a pocket sort of full of cash and the dog. Here in Dillingham I had to go thru the whole, "Isn't Baja part of California?" "What about the Drug Cartels?" "You can't bring a dog to Mexico!" and on. We went, we fished, the dog swam in the Pacific and The Sea of Cortez and we had a great time. I got to see things I never had and talk to people I never had. Yeah, you got me, I speak no Spanish and sometimes they spoke no English so I jabbered, they jabbered, we all got along.
San bushmen trackers is on the list based in part on the above post. I'm not comfortable sitting here in my kitchen waiting for that ideal moment to try to do something. Now about my disposable income,........
13 December 2013, 20:42
stradlingI have not yet shot a moose at 61 but you have
what makes you think any of us have enough cash
just make dam sure you waste what you have got on the -- just the right thing
Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----