Fantastic buffalo - absolutely HUGE.

10 October 2016, 22:27

Ackley Improved User

From the video, so far as I can tell, he's ~9 yrs and in 2014 he measured 51.2"

http://www.eagle-review.com/ne...10_10_201610_10_2016)

11 October 2016, 04:53

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
This is not hunting.

Christ George, it isn't an offer to hunt. It's a beautiful animal and I believe that's what the OP had in mind.

11 October 2016, 05:29

Poyntman

He's beautiful alright.
Isn't this an old story tho?
George George George...
Isn't hunting? This isn't a hunt ? Your right. It's a breeding bull. There's nothing about a hot here whatsoever
That Bull will live to be an old old man getting straws of semen drawn for sale because he's such a stud.

11 October 2016, 05:30

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
This is not hunting.

Christ George, it isn't an offer to hunt. It's a beautiful animal and I believe that's what the OP had in mind.

My comment is not directed at the OP.It is just my feelings of being shown a video of an animal I or someone else would hunt.These animals are supposed to be in the bush somewhere unknown and given a fair chance for any hunter to shoot.

11 October 2016, 05:41

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
This is not hunting.

Christ George, it isn't an offer to hunt. It's a beautiful animal and I believe that's what the OP had in mind.

My comment is not directed at the OP.It is just my feelings of being shown a video of an animal I or someone else would hunt.These animals are supposed to be in the bush somewhere unknown and given a fair chance for any hunter to shoot.

You weren't "shown" anything. You had to click twice to see it. Try sitting on your hands once in a while.

11 October 2016, 05:56

shootaway

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
This is not hunting.

Christ George, it isn't an offer to hunt. It's a beautiful animal and I believe that's what the OP had in mind.

My comment is not directed at the OP.It is just my feelings of being shown a video of an animal I or someone else would hunt.These animals are supposed to be in the bush somewhere unknown and given a fair chance for any hunter to shoot.

You weren't "shown" anything. You had to click twice to see it. Try sitting on your hands once in a while.

Why don't you fly to wherever that buff is and see it in person or just get your thrills and take a picture of it? I am sure that would make you happy.

Don't forget to bring your fishing rod-there might be a cat fish there for you.

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11 October 2016, 12:14

Manyathelo

You guys getting on your soap box about this bull should do a bit of research about Thaba Tholo, the history, the current operation and how they manage their game. They have made a massive contribution to true conservation in South Africa, particularly with Black Rhino; and restoring a significant piece of land that was once cattle farms back to a wild area teaming with game. An area big enough that most of those buffalo will never see a fence.

All i can say is get ready to eat a big plate of humble pie!

Far to much speculation and conjecture and jumping to conclusions on this thread. No better than the anti hunting brigade!!

11 October 2016, 15:50

BNagel

I am of a minority opinion that there are individual animals too beautiful to kill. That bull is gorgeous, and I would rather see him alive and available to look at any time I desire. No money to put where my mouth is, though. (I feel the same way about bongos, but have no ill feelings when someone "takes" one for their very own, by legal and ethical means.)

Thank you for the film!

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11 October 2016, 20:13

David W

I received an email last week with a video showing this bull being sold at auction. Final price was 168 million Rand, or
USD$11.7 million at today's rate. I would love to hear from someone who is knowledgeable how this makes economic sense - that is 234 stud fees at $50K each just to break even. What's the going rate for semen from such a specimen for AI?

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12 October 2016, 01:39

JTEX

quote:
Originally posted by David W:
I received an email last week with a video showing this bull being sold at auction. Final price was 168 million Rand, or
USD$11.7 million at today's rate. I would love to hear from someone who is knowledgeable how this makes economic sense - that is 234 stud fees at $50K each just to break even. What's the going rate for semen from such a specimen for AI?

The way I understand it (have a friend with about 50 clean buffalo) you can't pull semen and use AI on Cape Buff. You gotta tranq. em and when you do they won't ejaculate....

If you don't tranq them they will destroy your chute and pens or kill themselves......they aren't tame, just fenced.

I don't understand the economics of this either????? I see a huge bubble!

12 October 2016, 01:46

larryshores

It is no doubt a magnificent bull. I would love to see one like that.

I have never understood the pricing of these bulls. So many things can go wrong that could make ones investment disappear. I still think the entire market is some type of scam.

If people are making money at it, fantastic. I am happy for them. I have been asked to invest several times. My answer is always no. When something seems too good to be true.......

12 October 2016, 02:20

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When I worked with Adam Clement our clients killed some incredible bulls in Lobo and Lokisale on the Tarangire Park border in Masailand but none of them to my mind anyway was as beautiful as this bull. Magnificent!

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12 October 2016, 22:17

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
It is no doubt a magnificent bull. I would love to see one like that.

I have never understood the pricing of these bulls. So many things can go wrong that could make ones investment disappear. I still think the entire market is some type of scam.

If people are making money at it, fantastic. I am happy for them. I have been asked to invest several times. My answer is always no. When something seems too good to be true.......

Cause it a mechanism to exchange money. The seller is most always an entity controlled by politicians and the buyer is always an entity of businessmen. The pricing has zero impact to the cash flows from the animal's breeding ability.

Mike

13 October 2016, 13:34

Paul Truccolo

Just as the rest of you here, as a hunter I can truly appreciate the magnificent beauty of the bull pictured. Simply stunning.

On the other hand, also as a hunter, it aches a little to think what this magnificent creature ahs been reduced to, a "stock" animal.

He deserves to be free, wild and roaming the plains.
I would rather he be eaten by lions, as the good Lord meant it to be, than see him sold off to some "trophy hunter" in a 500 acre paddock.

Before I get all the hate mail this is ONLY MY OPINION, it doesn't have to comply with anyone else's.

Thanks for posting.

14 October 2016, 11:31

Paul Truccolo

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Paul:

My guess is that after paying $11.7 million for him, no hunter will be given a chance to shoot him. He may be in a 500 acre paddock but it will be for breeding.

No doubt Larry, the majority of this bull's life will be spent as most of us here fantasize an ideal life to be, servicing the breeders, but just like the massive velvet producing stags in N.Z when they near the end of their producing life they will be sold off to a game ranch for the final "collect".
If any further evidence is required it is available right here in the "hunts-for-sale" threads.

15 October 2016, 21:01

Ackley Improved User

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Paul:

My guess is that after paying $11.7 million for him, no hunter will be given a chance to shoot him. He may be in a 500 acre paddock but it will be for breeding.

This bull - and the story behind him - is a good example and proof of the truism...

"If it pays it stays".

This principle also explains the basic link between conservation and sports hunting.

As long as sports hunters exist this bull - and animals like him - will exist.

Unfortunately, we are in the middle of mass extinction caused by human over population, and we sports hunters are among those who are on the list to become extinct.

How we fair is how he'll fair!