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Time to get serious...
30 October 2024, 06:02
JTEXTime to get serious...
Finally finished the big five... And dangerous seven. Have two more to go on the tiny ten.
There are a whole lot of buffalo left to hunt!!!!!!!
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30 October 2024, 08:21
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Finally finished the big five... And dangerous seven. Have two more to go on the tiny ten.
There are a whole lot of buffalo left to hunt!!!!!!!
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Bloody hell!
You practically finished all the irrelevant hunting.
Now get serious.
Buffalo, elephant and lion are the only serious hunting.
Good luck!
30 October 2024, 18:59
MJinesWell done Jim. Had hoped to wrap up my dangerous seven in 2024 but life and elderly parents intervened, so now hope to do so in 2025.
Mike
30 October 2024, 19:14
SaeedYou funny lot!
“Dangerous Seven”
How about dangerous several hundreds?
Shot only six this year!
30 October 2024, 19:21
Steve AhrenbergJim, Congratulations. Which two on the Tiny 10?
Formerly "Nganga"
30 October 2024, 19:25
CaracalExcellent! Congratulations !
30 October 2024, 19:45
dogcatCongrats!
Don’t forget Lord Derby Eland!
30 October 2024, 20:00
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Congrats!
Don’t forget Lord Derby Eland!
Best pure tracking hunt on the planet.
Formerly "Nganga"
30 October 2024, 21:52
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
You funny lot!
“Dangerous Seven”
How about dangerous several hundreds?
Shot only six this year!
Well.....I don't have quite your budget Saeed.....
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30 October 2024, 21:53
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Jim, Congratulations. Which two on the Tiny 10?
Thank you Steve I still need a Suni and a Sharpie.....
30 October 2024, 21:54
JTEXquote:
Originally posted by MJines:
Well done Jim. Had hoped to wrap up my dangerous seven in 2024 but life and elderly parents intervened, so now hope to do so in 2025.
Thanks Mike, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!
30 October 2024, 22:58
crbutlerCongrats!
Good luck on the grysbok. They can be difficult to get to see long enough to shoot them.
I shot both of them in Mozambique a couple years back. They are interesting critters.
31 October 2024, 05:58
SaeedShot all these little ones for BBQ years ago.
Very good eating.
31 October 2024, 07:34
lavacaOther than buffalo, the cats, and elephant, everything else is a target of opportunity, with limited exceptions -- croc and topi are on the ticket next year and I'd like to make a serious effort on those. Still need a roan, which is my jinx animal. I'm fascinated by rhino, but never want to shoot one. I don't understand the rationale behind the various SCI awards for this slam or that slam or number of species, etc. I have friends that do and have exchanged emails recently with a colleague and fellow hunter who has two trips scheduled for next year to obscure places after obscure species. Each to his own and that's great if that's what you are into. I think there is room for all of that in the hunting community.
I'll just keep hunting the stuff I like to hunt and try to pick up something unusual every now and then.
31 October 2024, 07:40
Michael RobinsonSerious question. What are the dangerous seven and the tiny ten?
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
31 October 2024, 07:46
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Serious question. What are the dangerous seven and the tiny ten?
The tiny ten are small antelopes, easy that one.
The dangerous seven is a misnomer.
As any animal can kill you!
I have seen people with half their faces eaten by hyenas.
A professional hunter almost killed by a blue wildebeest.
A man gored by a sable.
This year, the first eland I shot almost got us too.
Shot facing us in the chesty.
He dropped down.
As we got close he tried to get up screaming bloody murder.
Luckily his back was broken, or he probably have managed to get at least one of us.
I bet all these names were created by SCI and their wonderful CIRCLES!
31 October 2024, 08:04
Michael Robinsonquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Serious question. What are the dangerous seven and the tiny ten?
The dangerous seven is a misnomer.
As any animal can kill you!
That is a fact.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
31 October 2024, 08:06
ledvmquote:
Originally posted by JTEX:
Finally finished the big five... And dangerous seven. Have two more to go on the tiny ten.
There are a whole lot of buffalo left to hunt!!!!!!!
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Well done!
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31 October 2024, 08:17
SaeedIt is great to set yourself a goal in any endeavor.
In hunting, mine is to just go and have fun.
In this we never fail!
In fact, our safaris are more of humorous event than hunting, at least for me, Roy and Alan it is.
The rest of our group never fail to provide endless entertainment for us!
I honestly wish we could have a video cameraman behind the three of us.
Recording non stop.
The results would make the THREE STOOGES look tame by comparison.
Years ago we had a new camera man.
He said "you three are hunting or trying your best to screw things up?"
I like hunting buffalo, but anything on quota is fine too.
31 October 2024, 12:24
Use Enough Gunquote:
Finally finished the big five... And dangerous seven. Have two more to go on the tiny ten.
I finished all three a few years back. Had almost as much fun hunting and taking the Tiny Ten as the others.
31 October 2024, 17:10
bwanajayquote:
Finally finished the big five... And dangerous seven. Have two more to go on the tiny ten.
There are a whole lot of buffalo left to hunt!!!!!!!
Congratulations!
31 October 2024, 22:21
Michael RobinsonOkay, I looked it up.
The Dangerous Seven are apparently the Big Five plus hippo and crocodile.
Not sure I agree with adding those two to the Big Five - unless you are a rural African who spends a lot of time washing clothes in the wrong river.
The Tiny Ten are apparently harder to define. I could not find a consistent and agreed upon list. Too many of the little antelopes out there I guess.
Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
31 October 2024, 22:39
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Okay, I looked it up.
The Dangerous Seven are apparently the Big Five plus hippo and crocodile.
Not sure I agree with adding those two to the Big Five - unless you are a rural African who spends a lot of time washing clothes in the wrong river.
The Tiny Ten are apparently harder to define. I could not find a consistent and agreed upon list. Too many of the little antelopes out there I guess.
I agree with your assessment on the 10 being harder to define.
I called mine as follows;
Natal red Duiker
Yellow Backed Duiker (CAR)
Western Bush Duiker (CAR)
Red Flanked Duiker (CAR)
Klipspringer
Vaal Rhebok
Blue Duiker
Sharps Grysbok
Oribi
Steinbok
Mountain Reedbuck
Grey Duiker
Formerly "Nganga"
01 November 2024, 02:00
crbutlerThe tiny 10 differ a bit. It was originally a South African thing, and they had a bit more specific animal lists…
But as I understand it:
Klipspringer
Oribi
Steenbok
Grysbok
Suni
Dik Dik
Bush duiker
Red duiker
Vaal Rhebok
Blue Duiker
The South Africans tended to say the Grysbok was a cape grysbok, the red duiker was supposed to be a Natal red duiker, and the Dik Dik was a Damara Dik Dik. The bush duiker is known as a grey duiker there.
SCI says 10 of the 13 species listed with both Sharpes and cape grysbok both being listed, and “any two forest duiker” and red flanked duiker being options in addition.
It’s kind of in the eye of the beholder to me…
I thought the Grysbok was the hardest to get, although the forest duikers, western bush duiker, and red flanked duiker in Cameroon were ones I was unsuccessful in getting the times I was there.
I shot most of them as targets of opportunity but the Suni and red duiker did require setting it up for that to be available.
01 November 2024, 03:05
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
The tiny 10 differ a bit. It was originally a South African thing, and they had a bit more specific animal lists…
But as I understand it:
Klipspringer
Oribi
Steenbok
Grysbok
Suni
Dik Dik
Bush duiker
Red duiker
Vaal Rhebok
Blue Duiker
The South Africans tended to say the Grysbok was a cape grysbok, the red duiker was supposed to be a Natal red duiker, and the Dik Dik was a Damara Dik Dik. The bush duiker is known as a grey duiker there.
SCI says 10 of the 13 species listed with both Sharpes and cape grysbok both being listed, and “any two forest duiker” and red flanked duiker being options in addition.
It’s kind of in the eye of the beholder to me…
I thought the Grysbok was the hardest to get, although the forest duikers, western bush duiker, and red flanked duiker in Cameroon were ones I was unsuccessful in getting the times I was there.
I shot most of them as targets of opportunity but the Suni and red duiker did require setting it up for that to be available.
Doc -
I saw the same thing you did. I also saw one list that said you can switch in the Mountain Reedbuck.
If my 12 listed aren't in the actual tiny 10, My heart will not be broken.
I am not sure if there is an SCI inner circle for them?
Formerly "Nganga"
01 November 2024, 03:53
crbutlerSCI has a “continental award” for the tiny 10 now. Identical to their big 5 and dangerous game awards.
As far as I’m concerned, if it makes you want to hunt them, the awards are worthwhile. All they are is a money making vehicle for SCI and an acknowledgment publicly of what you reported you did. I have no problem with it, but I don’t feel it’s all that meaningful- my experiences getting the animals is meaningful to me personally, but I don’t think it matters to others all that much.
It’s been a fun run, and I hope I still have a few laps in me still!
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
The tiny 10 differ a bit. It was originally a South African thing, and they had a bit more specific animal lists…
But as I understand it:
Klipspringer
Oribi
Steenbok
Grysbok
Suni
Dik Dik
Bush duiker
Red duiker
Vaal Rhebok
Blue Duiker
The South Africans tended to say the Grysbok was a cape grysbok, the red duiker was supposed to be a Natal red duiker, and the Dik Dik was a Damara Dik Dik. The bush duiker is known as a grey duiker there.
SCI says 10 of the 13 species listed with both Sharpes and cape grysbok both being listed, and “any two forest duiker” and red flanked duiker being options in addition.
It’s kind of in the eye of the beholder to me…
I thought the Grysbok was the hardest to get, although the forest duikers, western bush duiker, and red flanked duiker in Cameroon were ones I was unsuccessful in getting the times I was there.
I shot most of them as targets of opportunity but the Suni and red duiker did require setting it up for that to be available.
Doc -
I saw the same thing you did. I also saw one list that said you can switch in the Mountain Reedbuck.
If my 12 listed aren't in the actual tiny 10, My heart will not be broken.
I am not sure if there is an SCI inner circle for them?
01 November 2024, 04:55
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
SCI has a “continental award” for the tiny 10 now. Identical to their big 5 and dangerous game awards.
As far as I’m concerned, if it makes you want to hunt them, the awards are worthwhile. All they are is a money making vehicle for SCI and an acknowledgment publicly of what you reported you did. I have no problem with it, but I don’t feel it’s all that meaningful- my experiences getting the animals is meaningful to me personally, but I don’t think it matters to others all that much.
It’s been a fun run, and I hope I still have a few laps in me still!
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:
The tiny 10 differ a bit. It was originally a South African thing, and they had a bit more specific animal lists…
But as I understand it:
Klipspringer
Oribi
Steenbok
Grysbok
Suni
Dik Dik
Bush duiker
Red duiker
Vaal Rhebok
Blue Duiker
The South Africans tended to say the Grysbok was a cape grysbok, the red duiker was supposed to be a Natal red duiker, and the Dik Dik was a Damara Dik Dik. The bush duiker is known as a grey duiker there.
SCI says 10 of the 13 species listed with both Sharpes and cape grysbok both being listed, and “any two forest duiker” and red flanked duiker being options in addition.
It’s kind of in the eye of the beholder to me…
I thought the Grysbok was the hardest to get, although the forest duikers, western bush duiker, and red flanked duiker in Cameroon were ones I was unsuccessful in getting the times I was there.
I shot most of them as targets of opportunity but the Suni and red duiker did require setting it up for that to be available.
Doc -
I saw the same thing you did. I also saw one list that said you can switch in the Mountain Reedbuck.
If my 12 listed aren't in the actual tiny 10, My heart will not be broken.
I am not sure if there is an SCI inner circle for them?
Agree completely. I typically want to hunt somewhere different every safari. When in these new locations, there is normally a whole bunch of new and different species.
Doing things this way, I tend to kill lots of specie variants. Lots of different Duikers, Bushbucks etc.
With all the Trophies in my Trophy Room, I have yet to enter a single one. Erik Mararv in CAR begged me to enter a Western Roan I killed there. He measured it in the skinning shed and it was top 10 SCI. I had no interest.
When I was on the Phoenix Chapter BOD, we had frequent guests at our chapter board meetings from Tucson (National). Doug Luger, who ran the record books was ALWAYS wanting us to enter our stuff.
He told us that record book was 100% self funded from trophies entering fees and plaques.
Formerly "Nganga"
01 November 2024, 05:29
medvedquote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Congrats!
Don’t forget Lord Derby Eland!
Best pure tracking hunt on the planet.
not far from tracking kudu in the aouk ...
01 November 2024, 05:56
Steve Ahrenbergquote:
Originally posted by medved:
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
quote:
Originally posted by dogcat:
Congrats!
Don’t forget Lord Derby Eland!
Best pure tracking hunt on the planet.
not far from tracking kudu in the aouk ...
Funny you bring up Chad. While I was hunting LDE with Mike Fell, he told me about hunting Western Kudu in Chad. It got too dangerous and he quit sometime before 2012.
Formerly "Nganga"
01 November 2024, 07:59
lavacaThe Dangerous Seven is a misnomer. While crocs and hippos are dangerous, not generally to the hunter. I've only shot one hippo and he was on dry ground, and he was coming toward me, and he was 25 yards away, but it was hardly a dangerous situation. He didn't have a clue that I was around and he dropped in his tracks,
01 November 2024, 08:26
SaeedThe whole idea of "dangerous" is a bit silly.
I think we can all agree that any animal, wounded, can be dangerous.
Unprovoked attacks do happen.
But, you are there to hunt anyway, and armed with a rifle.
And whenever one is hunting, there is danger.
Not much danger sitting at a waterhole on a farm in South Africa.
Except by some idiot mishandling the rifle!
02 November 2024, 05:54
lavacaSteve,
I was looking at a hunt in Chad years ago and I questioned the outfitter about safety. He said that Chad was obviously safe because it had the highest concentration of French troops there of anyplace in northwest Africa. I told him that I assumed they were not there on holiday and ended the conversation.