Introduction of someone who doesn't fit in here?

26 November 2005, 05:35

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Originally posted by Kovu:

That I can imagine. Yet, I believe you're showing here more prejudice than actual intellect. I appreciate your suggestion, but some of your statements were more than offending, and will surely not give the hunting scene a better image.

Well you were easily flushed out.

You are the greenie everyone at first thought you were.

I spent many paragraphs with matters pertaining to maneaters, yet your only responses were to few paragraphs not relating to maneaters where I questioned whether you approach would get you anywhere, at the end of the contributing info!

"most important for you to know, I detest hunting".

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For those who don't already know me from the forums I'm constantly visiting, a brief introduction to who I am: My real name is Markus (Attilio) Fumagalli. I'm a graduate Swiss Watchmaker who's besides the main work interested in several other fields, making me working voluntarily for many other people or organisations. My main hobby is anything computer related, which you can easily see in the following history:

From 1997 to 2001 I was active as game-mod designer, for racing and flight simulators (Need for Speed series, Grand Prix 2 & 3, Flight Simulator series), which is where most people will remember me from - I suppose.
In the year 2000 my interest in creating websites came up the first time. I got the job to code the official site of A. Fumagalli AG.
In 2001 I founded my first internet community, known by most JP fans on the web as Jurassic Island. The release of Jurassic Island was a clear cut in my internet-career, since I decided to lay down all my game-mod designing tasks.
In late 2004, my newest project came up: terrasco.net. The old JI Staff and me decided to step back of the JI administration, in order to start something new with this site here. Due to the fact that we didn't find any convincing successors to lead JI, I shut the old community down in early 2005.
In early 2005 I took the job to code the official site of MGRA, the Modelflying Group of Rapperswil-Jona, Switzerland. mgra.ch's webspace is donated by me.
Summer 2005: Jurassic Island is reborn. terrasco.net forum regular JParkRockz agreed to take over the leadership of JI. My task at the new JI? Uhh... donation of webspace & domain and technical advisor. At the same time I decided to shut the terrasco.net forums down, due to lack of free time I could invest in the administration of it.
Late summer 2005: Jurassic Island is again shut down. WTH?! Well... however this lead to the sequel of our own forums: proboards all the way! It's not phpBB, which I indeed will miss, but it's easy to handle and I don't always need to update the software version myself...

Nature (mainly animal-world), paleontology, listening to great music, film, sailing, aircrafts, motorsports, military and computers are the summary of my interests. While there's nothing more important for me than taking care of natural environments and their inhabitants, there's the interest in aircrafts, racing cars and military standing in conflict with it. But as much as I love these technical things, nature will always have priority in my life - and that takes clearly influence on my lifestyle. Many people who believed me to be a hardcore racing or aircraft freak, because I did prove certain knowledge not everyone has, had already to figure out that I ain't really doing any stuff related to it (except on simulators) and were surprised about it. So... yeah - I'm a man with too many hobbies, as you can see.

Per the history most of your interest is computer gaming and running internet forum sites.

Your website:

http://terrasco.net/

Nothing on your website actually details any real involvement with wildlife, mostly your personal theories on evolution, religion, etc

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Favorite Film: Jurassic Park, The Lion King

About the only thing about big cats on your website was lots of discussion on the cartoon "The Lion King".

I think you might get a better response if you name some of the "big cat" research programs, re-release, conservation programs (eg in Siberia) that you claim to be part of.

If you are truly interested in accounts of maneaters, again I suggest you first read the historical accounts in Jim Corbett's books and "Maneaters of Tsavo" by Col Patterson.

26 November 2005, 05:50

There are some FANTASTIC interactions with cats.

"I've been to the Mountain Top" ir a riviting chronicle of a pride killing cape buffalo, with two humans, stuck in the middle. Look for JudgeG
as the author.

Ray Atkinson had a really intresting experience, walking up on a mother lion, and cub, and doing a dance with her, holding a 416 on here, at point blank range.

Yes, it's worth hanging out here, and looking around. Also, you'll find Saeed is great on Cheetahs, and, you will find real information on 'endangered' spieces here.

Good luck. You'll also find an unusual number of assholes, and, we've lost two of our best...

On review: I do question the information provided, Seems a bit strange...

gs

26 November 2005, 06:25

lawndart

Hey Guys & Gals,

Kovu failed the Troll test.

He is also a little unclear about the purpose of armies, but that is beside the point.

His syntax and spelling is somewhat better than our usual suspects, but his techniques are pure troll (as is his non-Copernican view of the arrangement of the solar system).

You gave him a much warmer reception than any of us would have recieved if we had ventured onto a greenie discussion board, and he abused the courtesy.

As always, do what you will; my recommendation is to ignore him so we can get back to more productive discussions.

lawndart

PS If the rest of the Swiss Army is made of the same stuff we should get together and invade next spring. Gold, watches and chocolate for everyone!

26 November 2005, 06:59

quote:
Originally posted by lawndart:
Hey Guys & Gals,

Kovu failed the Troll test.

He is also a little unclear about the purpose of armies, but that is beside the point.

His syntax and spelling is somewhat better than our usual suspects, but his techniques are pure troll (as is his non-Copernican view of the arrangement of the solar system).

You gave him a much warmer reception than any of us would have recieved if we had ventured onto a greenie discussion board, and he abused the courtesy.

As always, do what you will; my recommendation is to ignore him so we can get back to more productive discussions.

lawndart

PS If the rest of the Swiss Army is made of the same stuff we should get together and invade next spring. Gold, watches and chocolate for everyone!

After reviewing the above, I concur...

gs

26 November 2005, 08:54

Mark

quote:
PS If the rest of the Swiss Army is made of the same stuff we should get together and invade next spring. Gold, watches and chocolate for everyone!

Swiss Army Knives! Don't forget the Swiss Army Knives!

As an aside, I trained with a bunch of Swiss pilots back in the 80's, and I have a lot of respect for those guys so I don't think ALL of the Swiss military is shabby.

EDITED TO ADD THIS-

As was pointed out, in this day and age hunting does not threaten animals, indeed hunting has brought back many formerly jeopardized animals. What threatens animals nowadays are habitat destruction and poaching. With regards to habitat destruction, hunting groups have done more active conservancy than any eco-group that I am aware of (please feel free to correct me on this if I am wrong). The other destructive issue is poaching, which if you think about it has an underlying economic basis. If groups are TRULY interested in saving certain animals from extinction, THIS IS WHAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS THEIR EFFORTS ON.

History shows that no matter what the consequences there will always be another desperate person wiling to fill the gap, either looking for food or money to buy food and necessities.

26 November 2005, 10:53

lawndart

Were they flying F-5's back then? I read about them having hangars in the road tunnels up in the mountains. A Mark 84 in a tunnel mouth would have put a crimp in those plans. If they did get airborne they would be formidable. Could you imagine having plenty of gas for point defense against Mig 23s in an F-5? Total turkey shoot (according to open sources, that is).

I trained with some Canadians in the F-5's when we were in F-4's. Those guys were decent. You didn't want to get in a slow scissors with them. The Jordanians (IIRC) flew well, but had a hard time thinking in four dimensions for 4 v 4.

lawndart

Remember when that Swiss general sold all the defense plans to the Soviets for not much money? They are probably too civilized for capital punishment, but that clown should have been doused in petrol, lit on fire and thrown off the Eigerwand. The Soviets always were cheapskates; for which we should be grateful. The Chinese aren't afraid to invest some serious cash in their espionage, which is more worrisome.

26 November 2005, 11:57

Kovu

Alright, I tried to have a friendly mannered discussion. To those whose questions haven't been answered, I'm sorry. But you have to understand that you didn't really make it easy here for me to get along with you. I can't blame you on it, since the kind of "war" between animal rights activists (to which I don't even count myself) and the hunting scene kinda fixed this attitude.

About my site: what do you people expect? Do you think I have that much time that I can always update it? My work is published entirely in german, and that not on the internet. Certain translated excerpts make it on my site, when I find the time but thats it. Natural History takes, as usual with scientific minded people, most of my free time.

My favorite movies? Yes, I like film. I even had a successful Jurassic Park fan community, which I then closed due to lack of time and interest. The current site originates from that. And... who the hell cares what my favorite movies are? It doesn't mean anything, as well as the tiger sig didn't mean anything to you.

I find it amazing how you do prejudice on me, but don't allow me to give you some simple statements of my convictions. The events here simply show me that MANY people of your scene aren't cooperative at all, while I tried my best not to attack what you do. I only made clear to you what I dislike, that's all. Hell, you can tell me you hate cats. Who the hell cares? At least I don't...

You don't have to repeatedly let me know how many scientific accounts exit on these matters I've been asking here. I know most of them. I need reports to found my thesis on, thesis I don't need to inform you about - since they simply won't be of interest for you unless I'd release a book about predator behavior - whatever.

Am I unexperienced? At some point, of course. Any one who's a year older than me can say that. As well as I can assume someone younger than me is unexperienced. In my opinion, that term is relative.

At least I've made an experience here and now: many of you are close minded.

However - I say goodbye now in a friendly way, and thank those who put in their five cents. Your suggestions will be followed, and hunting will only be named in my papers where it's in direct connection to behavioral anomalies.

Thank you for your time.

EDIT: I suggest the admins to close this now

26 November 2005, 20:09

Rusty

quote:
I find it amazing how you do prejudice on me

You seemed to come here with your predjudices well in hand. Why shouldn't we?

I guess I didn't see where you stated how much you contribute to conservation each year?

26 November 2005, 22:52

Use Enough Gun

"...and hunting will only be mentioned in my papers where it's in direct connection to behavioral anomalies." Let's see, anomaly means irregularity, something that deviates in excess of normal variation, etc. Says it all doesn't it? We all smelled a rat in the beginning. Kind of like the reporter that was trying to do a piece on cheetah hunting that we all saw here in some posts a few months ago, but couldn't get the hunting community to cooperate illegally like she wanted them to.

27 November 2005, 01:11

bulldog563

Kovu, Just go away.

27 November 2005, 06:01

DRG

quote:
Originally posted by Kovu:
Alright, I tried to have a friendly mannered discussion. To those whose questions haven't been answered, I'm sorry. But you have to understand that you didn't really make it easy here for me to get along with you.

EDIT: I suggest the admins to close this now

Kovu.

I saw the post a few minutes after you posted it. I was tempted to send it to misc. or the humor section. In your very first post you wrote you are vehemently opposed to hunting.

Imagine posting that in a hunting forum.
What did you expect.

I'd say this thread has run it's course (and you too).

Don

05 December 2005, 23:13

D99

We can do two things with this guy;

Educate him, probably unsuccesfully, as he has had several years of liberal BS flung at him from university professors, who have about as much field time studying big cats, dung beatles, and magpies, as I have time in Paris beauty parlors.

Or we can ban him, cut our losses and try and make sure he doesn't come back.

I have 2 questions for you Kovo;

One why if you don't beleive hunting is right are you asking a bunch of hunters what they think?

Two, we deeply love and appreciate all nature, far greater than any green peace, PETA, or vegan asshole could imagine. The greatest conservationist of all time was also the greatest hunter. Do you know who that was Kuvu? It was Teddy Roosevelt. He was a hunter, and I am most posativly sure, he wouldn't have allowed you to stay on as part of our little group. So why should we let you?

PS I edited this to give you an image of a dead animal. We kill things, money we spend is spent on conservation. Hunters are personally responsable for over 550,000 jobs in the world, and pay for over 90% of all conservation in North America, and over 80% of all conservation world wide.

Take a look at the cost to run all these anti-hunting organizations like PETA and compare them to pro hunting organiszations like Safari Club, RMEF, an FNAWS. PETA will only spend about 60% of it's money on the actual protection and care of Animals the rest will go to make PETA executives richer.

The pro hunting outfits will spend between 5% and 15% on self sustainment. So that's over 40% not going into natural recources.

06 December 2005, 00:24

bulldog563

Good Post

07 December 2005, 19:58

DanEP

D99 -- good post. I doubt Kovu is listening anymore, though.

I was tempted to try to answer his question straight at the start... that hunters will learn about the habitat, ecology, behavior, social structure, spoor and sign, and other features that make it possible to locate and hunt the 'critters. But there's also politics, money, and regulations, concessions and PH reputations. Given the predator/herbivor biomass ratio, and the resultant increase in time required to find the 'critters, one pressure a hunter is likely to feel is the money pump that's running each day -- to be capped with the trophy fee if lucky. But it doesn't touch the people, food, smells, ever-present grit that gets into your rifle and equipment, amazing sunsets, campfires. All of that is a part of what hunters "know about lions" -- even though it doesn't have much to do with lions, themselves. Another part is when all those pieces -- simply getting there, the time there, the knowledge and use of information about habitat, behavior, locating active areas, getting on an animal -- and the moment of contact when all the pieces come together -- or not... what a hunter knows about lions is in that moment.

Dan