9 x 94 14/4 Gerlich + 9.3 x 66 vom Hofe

25 January 2002, 18:32

<kiklop>

I need information about those calibres.
9 x 94 14/4 Gerlich and 9.3 x 66 vom Hofe. I would be wery greatful for every information.

25 January 2002, 19:02

ALF

/

26 January 2002, 10:41

Fritz Kraut

ALF,

your treasury of gun knowledge is immense. You have some words even about the most obsolete, unknown cartridges.

What are your sources? Are there some book you would advice us to read? Please tell us some words!

Best regards,

Fritz

28 January 2002, 02:43

carcano91

It was Martin Czerny who got the ball rolling in 1990, in his three-part article "Inspirative Auï¿½enseiter" in: DWJ 1/1990 (pp. 96-103), 2/1990 (pp. 220-226), 3/1990 (pp. 376-378).
Czerny built two different 9,5 x 66 variants (named No. 1 and No.2 in best British style ;-)); No. 1 was built on a .404 Rimless NE Jeffery basic case (10,75 x 73), and No. 2 on a 7 x 66 Super Express vom Hofe.

Dieses war der erste Streich, und der zweite folgt zugleich (Wilhelm Busch, Max und Moritz).

Walter Gehmann from Karlsruhe apparently read the article and copied the idea (though their present gunsmith is loath to admit it, maybe he indeed did not know where his boss derived the inspiration). They - who are holders of the "vom Hofe" and "Super Express" trademarks - standardized the cartridge and are now marketing it as a factory loaded 9,5 x 66 Super Express vom Hofe. This production cartridge is based on the basic case 7 x 66 SE vH. The actual manufacturer used to be Wolfgang Romey in Petershagen, don't know whether he still does. On the British market, the very same cartridge is sold as .375 Westley & Richards, due to a cooperation agreement.
Source: Norbert Klups: Konservativer Neuling. Westley-Richards-Bï¿½chse 9,5 x 66 Super Express vom Hofe, in: DWJ 1995, pp. 1712-1718.
IMHO, this is one of the most brilliant and useful new European cartridge developments (an honourable second place should be granted to the new LVE-produced Russian 9 x 64 sniper cartridge).

Then, there is the old and sadly defunct 9,3 x 65 R, the rimmed sister of the 9,3 x 64.

Lastly, there is the old French experimental machine gun cartridge 9 x 66 (Jean Huon: Military Rifle & Machine Gun Cartridges, ND [1986 French original edition] London, p. 158 s.).

28 January 2002, 05:23

ALF

F/

28 January 2002, 05:43

ALF

/

28 January 2002, 06:06

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by ALF:
There is just one point that I have different info on and that is the parent case of your N0.1 9.5x66 ?
I have the case as the 12.7 Schuler aka 500 jeff and not the 404 or 10,75x73 as your source claims?

Definitely .404 Rimless NE aka Jeffery - Czerny gives a facsimile of his cartridge case blueprint in DWJ 2/1990, p. 221 (as cited).

quote:
I did not know that WR loaded the 9.5x66, I will go into my recent WR catalogs and see what I come up with.

I did not know whether he still does (presumably though), and whether the cartridge is listed in his own catalogue. I strongly doubt it since Gehmann has exclusive rights.

Regards,
Carcano

28 January 2002, 07:03

ALF

/

29 January 2002, 23:51

<kiklop>

Thank you so much for this info most informative.
Where I can find picture and data about
9 x 94 14/4 Gerlich