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12 March 2010, 04:35
boltshooterCamouflage Clothing
Is camouflage clothing (where legal) a waste of money or does it REALLY help in concealment of hunter movement?
If the PH & Trackers aren't wearing it, I think it's a waste; but what do you more experienced hunters feel?
12 March 2010, 04:41
HonkeyCamo in 99% of all rifle hunting is TOTALLY unnecessary IMHO
You need camo when hunting predators like coyote calling, for bow hunting and that is about it.
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12 March 2010, 05:13
butchloccamo outerwear is totally unnecessary. camo underwear might help with your PH though
12 March 2010, 05:20
OldsargeHolding still will do a lot more for your success than buying a boat-load of camo. I can't imagine what reason anyone would have for wanting some in Africa.
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12 March 2010, 05:43
L. David KeithI've hunted Africa in several camo patterns; khaki and OD green as well. IMHO, OD green is some of the best you can wear. It blends well in most countries. As stated, your PH and Trackers will most likely never wear camo. Consider yourself lucky if they wear OD colored clothing. I have on occasion worn Diamondback by Spider Oak Outfitters in TX. For what it's worth, I personally consider it the best camo pattern ever made. Several times when hiding for sharp eyed plains game, they have been totally unaware of my presence while wearing this pattern. Sometimes it's exciting to blend in your surroundings and dupe a sharp eyed animal, but on average, OD is great in the bush. Here is an example of a great Cape Springbok I took while wearing Diamondback camo. My only cover was a small thorn bush. His harem of 75-80 ewes walked right by me at 25 yards and never knew I was there. Only until they were behind and downwind were they aware of my presence. They stood and stared, all the while this ram fended of a group of 12 other rams. I took him at a close 131 yards with a .223 VS Remington.
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12 March 2010, 05:57
MolepololeI think some common sense is in order when you choose your hunting clothes for Africa. I've seen videos of guys hunting and "stalking" plainsgame, and even elephants, wearing white shorts, or white socks, or even what looks like white shirts. Granted, some of these clothing items may be "british tan" which is a very light tan, but when the sunlight hits it, it looks almost white. You can spot a guy wearing a light tan shirt from a mile away when he's in the wild. And if you can see it, so can the game you're hunting. So camo would be much better to wear than this really light colored stuff. I like traditional looking stuff, so in Africa I always wear clothes that are either OD green, medium green, or dark tan, plus an OD green cap or brimmed hat to hide my blonde hair and shade my face.
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12 March 2010, 06:09
ozhunterCammo like this?
12 March 2010, 06:13
ChetNCJust my opinion:
1. The vast majority of commercial camo is designed to be seen (and purchased) by a consumer.
2. Complicated commercial patterns work best when you are sitting still. On the move and at distance, most blur into an unrecognizable blob. Ergo, a dull muted solid would work just as well.
3. Most commercial patterns use way too much black. Works great if you are sitting still in the shade; not so great on the move.
4. The old saying goes: shape, shine, shadow, silhouette, surface, etc. etc. That still holds true but only a very few patterns help with that.
If you can see the game, it can see you. Slow down, be quiet, watch the wind, and leave the lycra and disco ball earrings at the house and you'll be fine.
12 March 2010, 07:08
BrettAKSCICamo is a really big thing in the lower 48, but even in Alaska it isn't. Some of the best rifles hunters I know up here don't use it. I'm sure all else being equal a camo patern that blends well is better than solid colors, but I'm not convinced for the average rifle hunter on safari that it makes that big of a difference. Now bowhunting on safaris......probably.
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12 March 2010, 09:49
jdollarhell, in most African countries it is illegal- not to mention a waste of time and money. for sure the PH and tracker won't be wearing it. camo is like fishing lures- both catch more fisherman/hunters than fish/game.
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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Cammo like this?
Ozhunter is wearing the best cammo there is. A dark green to olive shirt, faded over several safaris by the harsh washing received in the bush, dappled or soaked with sweat earned on tracks in the sun and heat of the day.
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12 March 2010, 22:52
Molepololeozhunter - Very nice "camo" you have on there, and soaked with sweat it looks even better. Walk into that jesse behind you, and you'd dissappear in 20 yards or less. Also, very nice buff and rifle you have there, too.
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12 March 2010, 23:15
cable68I agree with Chet, camo is best when you're sitting still and trying to get game to come to you instead of trying to get yourself closer to the game.
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12 March 2010, 23:38
onefunzr2quote:
Originally posted by cable68:
I agree with Chet, camo is best when you're sitting still and trying to get game to come to you instead of trying to get yourself closer to the game.
Agreed. Like calling wild turkey gobblers in the spring.
13 March 2010, 01:31
MARK H. YOUNGI don't think as others have said that in the normal African spot and stalk scenario that camo is of much use. I do think if a guy has a bunch of light weight camo there is no reason to not take it. As long as it is not in mitatry patterns and you only wear it in the field you'll have no problems. I've seen some camo in most camps I've been in. I personally have a couple of camo coats I've dragged all over and nobody even even remarked on them being camo.
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Mike_DettorreA little camo goes along way...
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I think camo and khaki look 'right' in the bush and thats what matters. No orange, blue, red etc. for me.
From my limited experience, match the vegetation. Khaki in a drought situation and green in lusher vegitation. If you can only pick one go with the green.
I had a PH wear teal shorts and a light tan shirt once and it didn't seem to matter so what do I know.
13 March 2010, 05:49
RBHuntquote:
Originally posted by Honkey:
Camo in 99% of all rifle hunting is TOTALLY unnecessary IMHO
You need camo when hunting predators like coyote calling, for bow hunting and that is about it.
+1
I have a couple of camo T shirts that I wear for varmit calling. I get a laugh when I go to some of the local "Hunting Expos", they have every kind of camo you can imagine! I remember one guy who was wearing an outfit he was selling at one of the Expos, it had layers of some kind of light green cloth cut to look like leaves, all over it. He looked like a giant parakeet!! I about fell over laughing!
13 March 2010, 06:07
MuletrainMost of the hunting done in Texas is from box blinds or pop up blinds. So there is really no point to wearing camo in that situation but most hunters I know do anyway. They get all dressed up in the latest camo pattern and then go sit in a little house that nearly totally conceals them from the game. Pretty silly.
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13 March 2010, 06:17
RBHuntquote:
Originally posted by Muletrain:
Most of the hunting done in Texas is from box blinds or pop up blinds. So there is really no point to wearing camo in that situation but most hunters I know do anyway. They get all dressed up in the latest camo pattern and then go sit in a little house that nearly totally conceals them from the game. Pretty silly.
Yeah, they might do better with a camo pattern that looks like plywood!
13 March 2010, 06:28
LeopardtrackYou'll blend in great with camo, but the tracker standing behind you might be wearing a bright blue jumpsuit so it really dosen't matter.
13 March 2010, 06:36
RBHuntquote:
Originally posted by Leopardtrack:
You'll blend in great with camo, but the tracker standing behind you might be wearing a bright blue jumpsuit so it really dosen't matter.
All of the tracker, gamescouts, etc. that I have had in Africa were provided uniforms by the safari company in neutral colors. Camo patterned clothing is illegal in some African counties, an never needed for Africa in my opinion. Anyone else notice how companies like Cabellas has 50 pages of camo clothing in their catalogs? They must sell a lot of it.
13 March 2010, 06:59
Oryxhunter1983I don't buy camo or where it, unless I've been bowhunting.
My reasoning, is I think people look like tools wearing it around town. I love guys who think it's a dress shirt...so olive and tan, you can put with some jeans and not look like a redneck!
Now, anyone who thinks wearing camo to church is cool, fine by me, this is just my opinion...no need for backlash!
13 March 2010, 07:00
CaneCorsoquote:
Originally posted by lal:
I think camo and khaki look 'right' in the bush and thats what matters.
I agree!
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13 March 2010, 07:26
Tapper2In Namibia I asked the PH why all the trackers were given blue jiump suits and not brown or green. His answer was "Blue doesn't spook the animals because they see it all the time(sky) and it's not a threat". We were sitting on a water hole hoping a warthog would come by. The tracker was sitting out in the open and up walked a warthog with nice tusks. He saw the tracker and could have cared less. Big mistake on his part.......Tom
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13 March 2010, 07:37
RBHuntquote:
Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
Now, anyone who thinks wearing camo to church is cool....
You made my day!!
13 March 2010, 08:25
jdollarquote:
Originally posted by CaneCorso:
quote:
Originally posted by lal:
I think camo and khaki look 'right' in the bush and thats what matters.
I agree!
i think in this case, you mean "on the bush", not "in the bush".
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13 March 2010, 08:34
Michael RobinsonI have been seen by animals while hunting and wearing camouflage - usually because of some dumb move I've made.
I have also been seen by animals while hunting and not wearing it - also usually because of some dumb move I've made.
Animals see movement, IMHO.
I don't think camouflage matters very much.
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14 March 2010, 20:05
MacD37This is a pet peeve of mine! First off I hate camo clothing, period.
It urks me that some of the best hunting gear, for cool weather, wet weather, and damn cold weather is only available in Camo! I don't mind that is is available in camo, but the makers should offer it in earth tones, and olive as well. It seems there is no middle ground. the hunting gear is either camo, or bright colors like international orange,or yellow!
I have some camo gear, but it is simply because I needed the type clothing for certain climates, but if it had been available on solid colors that is what I would have bought. As Mrlexma says animals depend on the wind,sound and movement to avoid you, not the color of your cloths, as long as they are not bright white, or clowing floresents.
Most animals do not see color, other than some birds, but they see things that are bright enough to stand out against its background, which increases the damage done by movement. I have called coyotes right up to me within 5 feet before he got my scent and almost had a heart attack when he realized how close he was to me. I was sitting in the shade against dead tumble weeds with the sun to my back, and wearing my O.D. left over Korean era army blouse with all the bright patches still on it, and a blue bandanna over my face bank robber style to break up the shiney nose!
Camo doesn't hurt while hunting, but I don't think it means as much as most think it does! I certainly don't think it does anything for you walking around in the local mall!
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