375 H&H the great all rounder

02 December 2007, 19:38

375 fanatic

Just a few Photos of the the animals the 375H&H landed this year from the Kalahari to the dense bushveld all with 300gr hornady interlocks at 2300f/sec

30 1/2" Waterbuck shot at 40m not a good photo

Zebra Stallion at 160m ran 20m and took 8 men to load

26" blue wildebees at 180m thrue the hart ran 15m

Gemsbuck at 220m frontal chest shot you will see the first one was slightly pulled 2nd one drop him in his tracks

This Impala i posted just to show the broken horn and the good condition he was in excelent for biltong without paying trophy price for it and i did a shoulder mount of him

02 December 2007, 19:41

375 fanatic

sorry wrong photo

02 December 2007, 19:48

Safari-Hunt

Some nice animals taken.

The load that downed most animals in my 375 is also hornady interlock SP but 270gr at 2500 fps. I have no complains on plainsgame with the load. Although I would not try to do a wide angle shot on an eland. But more direct frontal or broadside.

But now that I use the 270gr rhinos the angle doesnt matter that much. But still I only do angled shots when I have to stop wounded animals.

02 December 2007, 20:31

JBoutfishn

quote:
375 H&H the great all rounder

Yup.

02 December 2007, 20:36

retreever

That 375H&H will do anything you want it too using the right bullet and the hunter doing his part and making the right shot...

Mike

02 December 2007, 20:54

Showbart

The 416 is the "Great All Rounder"!

02 December 2007, 21:38

JBoutfishn

quote:
Originally posted by Showbart:
The 416 is the "Great All Rounder"!

Think about the "big picture", have to vote with the 375H&H.

Full disclosure, I own and shoot both

02 December 2007, 21:45

308Sako

Whomever began the saying; "one planet, one cartridge...the 375 H&H" was spot on.

02 December 2007, 22:33

Wooly ESS

The 375 H&H! The answer never changes, only the question.

03 December 2007, 00:05

BigFiveJack

If the 416 Taylor had factory ammo as widely distributed as the 375 H&H,

[in it's Belted Magnum configuration as opposed to the Flanged Mag config]

then the 416 Taylor would hold the the title "The Great All Rounder". If

the 375 Flanged Mag or the 450/400 [in either length] calibers had factory

ammo SO WIDELY distributed and priced at 30-06 levels, only CHRIST knows

how many rifles Heym, Chapuis, Searcy, etc. could sell at their respective
prices today!

[I know, I know, IF is the BIGGEST word in the

English dictionary...

] I've seen men order rifles that were priced

between five thousand and ten thousand dollars in really obscure calibers
because they had a box or two of factory ammo on a shelf in the basement!

I am truly convinced that mens perception of the cost/supply of factory ammo
is huge when they are deciding on a rifle caliber. Let's not have this

.
I'll start a thread with this idea on the double rifle forum. See ya there.

03 December 2007, 00:13

BulldogMaster

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly ESS:
The 375 H&H! The answer never changes, only the question.

Agreed.

03 December 2007, 02:06

Russ Gould

In a bolt rifle, it's hard to disagree but this topic has become a bit of a yawn. It's up there with the 30-06 being ideal for PG, Namibia being the best value in a PG hunt, Vaughn Fulton being the greatest PH, and Tuff Paks being the only way to transport your rifle. We agree....

There are some (including myself) that believe that the 375 Ruger will displace the H&H going forward as the African bolt rifle king. But that's going to take years.

We also like the 416 Taylor but as some have stated, ammo is a reloading proposition and it's really more of a PH's rifle than a hunter's rifle.

In a double rifle, I would NOT agree. I think the 9.3x74R is the winner, in today's world where you are hunting with a PH who will be carrying heavy iron. The only detraction is the ctg is only "legal" for nasty beasts in certain countries (Bots, Zim, and parts of SA) but this isn't enforced in practice so I will ignore it.

There are many who would vote for the 470 or the 450/400 (now that Hornady is making ammo) but I think rifles in those calibers are too heavy (ie weigh too much) to be considered all-rounders.

The 375 Flanged is nice but only Kynoch and the custom makers offer it.

The 500/416 is too heavy and proprietary to boot.

The 375 Express (2.5") is too light.

The 375/444 is a contender (pardon the pun) but is strictly a reloaders ctg, in a rifle.

03 December 2007, 04:42

Roland1

.375 H&H Rules

Roland

03 December 2007, 04:49

bwanamrm

I've carried a .375 H&H all over Africa and have NEVER been disappointed....

On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died.

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch...
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
- Rudyard Kipling

Life grows grim without senseless indulgence.

03 December 2007, 04:56

zimbabwe

Have never been to Namibia,Don't know Vaughn Fulton and don't think TuffPak is the best case but totally agree that the 9.3x74R is greatly underated and is THE cartridge for a light double. I don't think the Ruger will surpass the 375 for the reason that hunting in Africa is on the downhill road and the Ruger does not have time to catchup much less pass the H&H. To many H&H rifles out there and I believe bigbore rifle sales will continue to drop off and as of now no one else chambers for it. Don't say it's not a GOOD cartridge and could easily be the equal of the H&H but has too many strikes against it. Again as always a PERSONAL opinion.

03 December 2007, 06:21

thornell

Hooray for the 375.

03 December 2007, 09:23

Use Enough Gun

Yes Sir!

03 December 2007, 09:29

Russ Gould

quote:
as of now no one else chambers for it

ie the 375 Ruger
We do, Jim Brockman does, and as soon as the reamers are available every amateur gunsmith with a Mauser or other std length action available is going to as well.

03 December 2007, 18:38

zimbabwe

Sorry I was speaking of Manufacturers not custom guns.

04 December 2007, 09:34

Dogleg

Hard to find fault with the .375 for most all uses. Add a 270 grain TSX and do most of it with one bullet.

04 December 2007, 22:13

465H&H

Now I doubt anyone loves their double rifles smore than I do but for what I want a 375 or 9.3 to do I prefer it in a bolt rifle. In a bolt rifle the 375 H&H is the best choice. Although one day the 375 Ruger may give it a run for it's money. But that day isn't yet.

465H&H

04 December 2007, 22:38

surestrike

quote:
Originally posted by Dogleg:
Hard to find fault with the .375 for most all uses. Add a 270 grain TSX and do most of it with one bullet.

HERE HERE..

Yes sir you are spot on the money!!

04 December 2007, 23:43

WPN

.22 LR, .30-06 Springfield, .375 H&H Magnum and 12-bore covers it all.

I have a pair of 12s. So why is my only rifle a .300 Win Mag?

04 December 2007, 23:49

MARK H. YOUNG

Guys,

The 375 is certainly one of my favorites and I heartily agree that loaded with the 270 TSX you just may not need another bullet for any African application other than for elephant which of course need solids.

Mark

05 December 2007, 00:10

Duckear

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
In a bolt rifle, it's hard to disagree but this topic has become a bit of a yawn. It's up there with the 30-06 being ideal for PG, Namibia being the best value in a PG hunt, Vaughn Fulton being the greatest PH, and Tuff Paks being the only way to transport your rifle. We agree....

There are some (including myself) that believe that the 375 Ruger will displace the H&H going forward as the African bolt rifle king. But that's going to take years.

We also like the 416 Taylor but as some have stated, ammo is a reloading proposition and it's really more of a PH's rifle than a hunter's rifle.

In a double rifle, I would NOT agree. I think the 9.3x74R is the winner, in today's world where you are hunting with a PH who will be carrying heavy iron. The only detraction is the ctg is only "legal" for nasty beasts in certain countries (Bots, Zim, and parts of SA) but this isn't enforced in practice so I will ignore it.

There are many who would vote for the 470 or the 450/400 (now that Hornady is making ammo) but I think rifles in those calibers are too heavy (ie weigh too much) to be considered all-rounders.

The 375 Flanged is nice but only Kynoch and the custom makers offer it.

The 500/416 is too heavy and proprietary to boot.

The 375 Express (2.5") is too light.

The 375/444 is a contender (pardon the pun) but is strictly a reloaders ctg, in a rifle.

You forgot the parts about Leupold and Gracy.

05 December 2007, 00:17

WPN

Put it all in a FAQs page. Just like what loads to use for pheasants from the wingshooting websites.

05 December 2007, 00:30

Dave Bush

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
In a bolt rifle, it's hard to disagree but this topic has become a bit of a yawn. It's up there with the 30-06 being ideal for PG, Namibia being the best value in a PG hunt, Vaughn Fulton being the greatest PH, and Tuff Paks being the only way to transport your rifle. We agree....

There are some (including myself) that believe that the 375 Ruger will displace the H&H going forward as the African bolt rifle king. But that's going to take years.

We also like the 416 Taylor but as some have stated, ammo is a reloading proposition and it's really more of a PH's rifle than a hunter's rifle.

In a double rifle, I would NOT agree. I think the 9.3x74R is the winner, in today's world where you are hunting with a PH who will be carrying heavy iron. The only detraction is the ctg is only "legal" for nasty beasts in certain countries (Bots, Zim, and parts of SA) but this isn't enforced in practice so I will ignore it.

There are many who would vote for the 470 or the 450/400 (now that Hornady is making ammo) but I think rifles in those calibers are too heavy (ie weigh too much) to be considered all-rounders.

The 375 Flanged is nice but only Kynoch and the custom makers offer it.

The 500/416 is too heavy and proprietary to boot.

The 375 Express (2.5") is too light.

The 375/444 is a contender (pardon the pun) but is strictly a reloaders ctg, in a rifle.

Russ:

I think you are on to something here! I agree with your take on the 9,3X74 in the double rifle but would further suggest that the old 9,3X62 Mauser serves the same role in a bolt gun. Most factory .375 H&H's are too darned heavy and the .375 Ruger in a 7 3/4 lb. rifle is just to much of a good thing. Make mine a 9,3X62 in a light handy rifle....Peeeerrrfect! Before WWII, it WAS the .375.

Dave

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