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SCI Convention Las Vegas 2012
16 June 2011, 17:45
R.JollySCI Convention Las Vegas 2012
I am thinking of making the trip over from the UK to the SCI Convention in February. Do you have to be a member of SCI to attend or can you get in as a visitor ?
16 June 2011, 17:53
billrquimbyYou must be a member, the last I heard. In years past, memberships could be purchased at the site. Don't know if that still is true.
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16 June 2011, 19:47
PSmithAn annual membership is $55 I think, maybe a bit more for international.
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US, Canada and Mexici is $65 a year. All other countries it is $90.
Trust SCI bigwigs to come up with something silly like this.
Why can't they have an entrance fee for members, and one for non-members?
17 June 2011, 00:42
billrquimbySaeed:
Don't know if it still applies, but years ago under Nevada law the exhibitors would have had to pay sales tax on everything they sold if the convention was not a members-only event.
Bill Quimby
17 June 2011, 01:55
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
Saeed:
Don't know if it still applies, but years ago under Nevada law the exhibitors would have had to pay sales tax on everything they sold if the convention was not a members-only event.
Bill Quimby
Bill I've been a member almost since SCI's begining, and have never attended one of their conventions, and like Saeed I have always woundered why you had to be a member to get in the door! The reason you gave makes perfect sense. Also, IMO opinion the reason for the differencial between North American price for membership and that of other countries has to do with the cost of shipping the magazine to the other countries.
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17 June 2011, 02:02
LittleJoeGo to the show. I love it and attend every year that I can. The membership fee is insignificant in my mind. I also think that having a membership allows them to say we have X amount of members and we are this big and can do this because of our size, etc. Just my two cents. It is a great show none the less. By far my favorite.
17 June 2011, 03:11
jdollarquote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
Saeed:
Don't know if it still applies, but years ago under Nevada law the exhibitors would have had to pay sales tax on everything they sold if the convention was not a members-only event.
Bill Quimby
starting about 5 years ago vendors were( and are) required to charge sales tax for goods sold at the convention but not for services sold. buy a gun-pay sales tax. book a hunt- no sales tax. when you realize that international membership is $90 AND you still have to pay over $300 to get a 4 day pass, attendance is no bargain compared to the $20/day that DSC charges and no membership fee- just show up and get in.
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17 June 2011, 04:03
MARK H. YOUNGR.Jolly,
Regardless of all the SCI bashing and whining about the money the Las Vegas show this February will be the biggest hunting show on the planet. Even if you don't spend a cent I think it is well worth seeing and Las Vegas is Las Vegas and worth a few days relaxation itself. Come over and make a vacation out of it. You'll thank yourself.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 17 June 2011, 09:57
billrquimbyI think one of the biggest shocks I ever experienced came soon after becoming SCI's publications director in 1983 and I had to approve the international mailing costs of a January/February issue of Safari magazine. The price to mail just one copy of that single issue, the year's heaviest, to Africa or the South Pacific was more -- a lot more -- than the difference between domestic and international annual membership.
I eventually contracted with a "drop-shipper" who collected our magazines heading overseas at our printer in Minnesota, addressed and bundled them, and then shipped them in bulk overnight to about a dozen key sites around the world where they were posted as "local" mail. The savings were substantial, and the magazines reached members days and even weeks sooner than if we had used the U.S. Postal Service.
Then we launched the monthly Safari Times without raising membership fees, and the club again began losing money on international members.
I suspect that nothing has changed, and that mailing the magazine and newspaper domestically and internationally (to say nothing about the production and printing expenses) costs more than what is raised from all membership fees.
As with all publications, readership (membership in SCI's case) is an expense; advertising is what pays the bills.
Bill Quimby
21 June 2011, 01:55
R. GunnRob--
Come to Dallas you don't have to join, just pay the admission--and there is still more stuff than you can see in three days.
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it may not smell this way tomorrow.”
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Dallas is also way cheaper to get in. After you Join SCI it still will cost you 125 bucks a day to get in the exhibit hall and the same for your wife.
Bill,
I ma getting both my SCI and NRA publications mailed locally now.
So I presume they are using a bulk mailing company, unlike in the past when they used to be mailed from the US.
22 June 2011, 05:02
billrquimbySaeed:
I first contracted to have SCI's publications drop shipped way back in about 1985 or so, and it's doubtful if my successor changed that method of shipping overseas.
What could have happened is that the bulk shipper may have added Dubai to its list of key cities where the publications are mailed locally.
It also may be because there were so few SCI members in the UAE that the shipper found it more economical to simply mail the magazine and newspaper by U.S. mail until recently.
Before I retired in 1999, the company handling mailing Safari magazine and Safari Times overseas had about a dozen key cities on six continents.
Mail going to Asia then, for example, was overnighted in bulk to post offices in Hong Kong and Delhi. All South American addresses went first to Buenos Aires, all African addresses went Johannesburg, etc.
Bill Quimby
22 June 2011, 22:27
butchlocquote:
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Rob--
Come to Dallas you don't have to join, just pay the admission--and there is still more stuff than you can see in three days.
Dick Gunn
right on
23 June 2011, 16:08
Safaris Botswana BoundThe value for the show is well worth the membership and day entrance fee - its the biggest and best of its kind on the planet.
Please bear in mind that your membership fees contribute to making sure hunters have a voice - without the strength of numbers the anti hunters will continue to win the war - like the NRA - hunting clubs need numbers to make a difference , join have fun and ensure the future of hunting .
Both the Dallas and SCI conventions are value for money shows and this years Las Vegas show will be the best ever. Hope to see you there
Graeme
24 June 2011, 13:27
Fallow Buckquote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
R.Jolly,
Regardless of all the SCI bashing and whining about the money the Las Vegas show this February will be the biggest hunting show on the planet. Even if you don't spend a cent I think it is well worth seeing and Las Vegas is Las Vegas and worth a few days relaxation itself. Come over and make a vacation out of it. You'll thank yourself.
Mark
jolly,
We are going over from the UK again this year and Vegas is a hell of a lot easier for us from here. I have a few guys going from here so we are using my corp account to try and get a package deal with Virgin. You are welcome to tag on if it saves a few quid.
It's not cheap but given the types of shows we have here it is well worth going to.
K
26 June 2011, 05:57
Use Enough GunYou'll enjoy it.
03 July 2011, 05:09
OldsargeThe only real drawback is that I despise Las Vegas. I hope that this moving the convention around is another temporary deal while Reno expands the convention center--again!
(Besides, when it's in Reno I stay with a friend and don't have to pay for a hotel room!
)
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05 July 2011, 16:53
Rich ElliottIt's back in Reno 2013...then back in Las VEgas (uuuugh!) 2014. Then back in Reno in 2015 ...hopefully for good. If not they may lose most of their exhibitors.
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06 July 2011, 02:07
TerryRThe reason for the show's admission policy, and exhibitor policies too, is IMHO simple: given the market conditions, they can demand a premium. For the attendee they provide access in one location to more outfitters, equipment suppliers, taxidermists, etc than can be found anywhere else. From the exhibitor side they provide access to more potential clients in one place than can be found anywhere else. The result, they can demand that those who want access pay the price, simple economics.
In reality, they do provide the greatest show on earth for safari enthusiasts. Also in truth, you can go to DSC and find pretty much all you want for less. I've been to both and appreciate both. SCI is a spectacle, DSC is a great show, but not as big and brash as SCI. Frankly you can't go wrong at either, SCI costs more but provides more, DSC is cheaper and smaller, but will in all probability offer anything that you need. The last two years I've gone to DSC and enjoyed it, this year I think I'll go back to SCI.
06 July 2011, 03:48
Fallow BuckI wanted to go to DSC but it is bang in the middle of our hunting season here so makes life a little difficult to get away sadly.
I just have to console myself with getting out shooting most days that the show is on
K
17 July 2011, 06:58
MJinesRob,
I am making my first trip to SCI this year. Come on over and let's have dinner and some adult beverages.
Mike
17 July 2011, 09:04
Idaho SharpshooterSCI, whether it be held in Reno or Vegas is still the big show. If it were held before DSC, it would be interesting to see if attendance at Dallas would dip. I like Reno better, 400 miles is just a pleasant days drive. Vegas at 750 makes a very long day...
Either way, see you there.
Rich
17 July 2011, 09:28
HasherI am making my first trip this year as well.
I am glad they charge a spendy admission price. It keeps the lookie loos out. ever been to SHOT?
I am fortunate that I can stay with friends in LV if i need to but I will likely just snag a hotel.
Hope to see you all there.
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17 July 2011, 10:06
Mike_DettorreSellers don't pay sales tax...buyers pay sales tax
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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
Even with the relatively high admission cost the number of attendees can crowd the floor. If it cost $20 a day, you wouldn't be able to move.
17 July 2011, 19:21
Larry SellersThe main difference in the SCI and DSC shows is that SCI is for members only and DSC lets everyone who pays at the door to come in. Personally that's why I prefer SCI. It's a show that gives something back to it's members and in my way of thinking the "high daily entry as some put it, is my way of supporting the organization. Nothing personal, but I would rather attend an event that limits entry to members only rather than opening it up to the general public. Both are good shows as both support and help finance the things we all like to see and do, Conservation and Hunting opportunities. Attend the one you like, or better yet attend both, and leave it at that. No need to bash each other over "which one is best" and divide our ranks for the anti's to play against us.
I don't like Las Vegas or Dallas for that matter but won't let the location be the determining factor on whether to attend or not. Will overlook this issue and go with the flow.
Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
17 July 2011, 20:23
Dave FulsonAsk a VENDOR who they like better. Most would say " We go to DSC because we WANT to- we go to Reno\Vegas because we HAVE to. There is zero comparisome between the way the Mgmt. treats it's vendors. Far better in Dallas.
Dave Fulson
16 August 2011, 23:29
almostacowboyquote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
Saeed:
Don't know if it still applies, but years ago under Nevada law the exhibitors would have had to pay sales tax on everything they sold if the convention was not a members-only event.
Bill Quimby
starting about 5 years ago vendors were( and are) required to charge sales tax for goods sold at the convention but not for services sold. buy a gun-pay sales tax. book a hunt- no sales tax. when you realize that international membership is $90 AND you still have to pay over $300 to get a 4 day pass, attendance is no bargain compared to the $20/day that DSC charges and no membership fee- just show up and get in.
Then, add to that the insult of having to pay full-boat admission ($260 each) for your spouse! I just canceled my plans for the 2012 convention and I live within 200 miles of VEGAS. But, it's just not worth $520 (plus) for us to go visit our friends when I can fly to the DSC convention for less and see most of those same friends.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
-Thomas Paine, "American Crisis"
16 August 2011, 23:32
almostacowboyquote:
Originally posted by Brice:
Even with the relatively high admission cost the number of attendees can crowd the floor. If it cost $20 a day, you wouldn't be able to move.
That "relatively high admission" also keeps members from attending.
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
-Thomas Paine, "American Crisis"
17 August 2011, 08:52
Scott PowellI enjoy the DSC show but have always viewed it as an outdoors show.
The SCI convention is just that a CONVENTION. There are many activities beyond the show floor that go on.. Just peek your head into the ladies auction one day and see how much fun they are having....
It is a convention for SCI members - if I could not afford the four tanks of diesel fuel ($360.00) to go the SCI convention then I probably could not afford the airfare anyway.. I admit it is sad when I can equate convention fees to gallons of fuel.. :-(
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17 September 2011, 05:53
2Barrelsquote:
Originally posted by TerryR:
The reason for the show's admission policy, and exhibitor policies too, is IMHO simple: given the market conditions, they can demand a premium. For the attendee they provide access in one location to more outfitters, equipment suppliers, taxidermists, etc than can be found anywhere else. From the exhibitor side they provide access to more potential clients in one place than can be found anywhere else. The result, they can demand that those who want access pay the price, simple economics.
In reality, they do provide the greatest show on earth for safari enthusiasts. Also in truth, you can go to DSC and find pretty much all you want for less. I've been to both and appreciate both. SCI is a spectacle, DSC is a great show, but not as big and brash as SCI. Frankly you can't go wrong at either, SCI costs more but provides more, DSC is cheaper and smaller, but will in all probability offer anything that you need. The last two years I've gone to DSC and enjoyed it, this year I think I'll go back to SCI.
I'd like to go to one or the other, just to be able to fondle the DRs from the various makers - Heym, V-C, etc - in one place.
