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Why Buffalo?
21 September 2003, 16:59
ddunnWhy Buffalo?
Why are people here so interested in hunting Buffalo?
Why not something else?
I don�t get it. Are Buff, that dangerous? They certainly are not cute, or beautiful are they?
21 September 2003, 17:35
GatehouseI've never hunted buff...never been to Africa, in fact...
But the reason I see to hunt buff is the same reason I hunt bears.
They are fairly plentiful, and they can be dangerous, just like bears.
I'd say that a buff hunt is more dangerous than a black bear hunt, but not as dangerous as a grizz hunt...
They are big, ornery, and will charge if you let them.
Perhaps someone with more knowledge could help me out here...
I REALLY would like to hunt buffs...
21 September 2003, 17:43
T.CarrBecause we can't afford to hunt elephant.
Regards,
Terry
21 September 2003, 17:49
vapodogT. Carr.....fabulous reply........I loved it.
21 September 2003, 17:54
NitroXI was going to say the same thing Terry said.
Short buffalo hunts aren't too badly priced in terms of daily rates and number of days (5 to 10 days compared to 10 to 21 days at higher rates).
Lion and elephant are just too expensive.
21 September 2003, 17:59
SaeedGentlemen,
I have no doubt buffalo ARE dangerous - just like about any animal one hunts. But, that is not the reason I like to hunt them.
I think one can get into trouble with buffalo if one is extremely unlucky - or by design, as Mark Sullivan has been demonstrating for so long.
I have shot more than a 100 buffalos, and not once did I feel we were in any danger. In fact, we've never had a single charge.
On a few occasions, when approaching a wounded buffalo, things could have developed into a charge if we allowed it to happen. But, I prefer to put that noble animal out of his misery as fast as I can.
Hunting buffalo can be as simple as seeing one from the truck, jumping out and shooting it.
Or it can be as demanding as elephant hunting.
One picks up the tracks of one bull or more, and then follows them. This proceedure can take anything from an hour to all day. One can find them standing in the shade of a tree, take his pick of which one to shoot, and end the hunt.
Or the buffalo somehow see you or smell you well before you see them, and the chase continues. A couple of hours later you make a hurried shot and wound one.
The chase continues again, except this time there is more a likelihood of him hiding in some thick bush, where you might not be able to see him further than the tip of your rifle barrel. The final outcome is one of you has to die - which is it going to be?
Buffalo hunting epitomises what African hunting is. Followed very closely with elephant hunting.
In fact, I don't know which is more interesting, buffalo or elephant hunting. I enjoy both.
21 September 2003, 20:30
LV EricI agree with Saeed...almost. I like elephant just a little more, it may be a little more dangerous than buffalo. The two hunts are similar in some ways and different in others. There is something inside me since I was a child that has drawn me to elephant hunting. I get more of a rush hunting elephant. I have shot 6 elephants and only about 10 buffalo.
For those who arnt able to hunt elephant bulls tuskless cows sometimes can be hunted for almost the same price as buff. If all you ever hunt is buff you still will have experienced 95% of African hunting. Then again there is lion hunting too.
[ 09-21-2003, 11:31: Message edited by: LV Eric ]21 September 2003, 22:00
JudgeGIn case you missed this:
"Why I Hunt Buffalo" I've taken 15 black bears with a longbow or recurve and I find Buffalo more exciting.... maybe only because there are no black bears in Africa.
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22 September 2003, 02:56
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by ddunn:
Why are people here so interested in hunting Buffalo?
Why not something else?
I don’t get it. Are Buff, that dangerous? They certainly are not cute, or beautiful are they?
Everyone I know does hunt something else, but on a Cape Buffalo hunt! In most cases Terry has it right, about not being able to afford Elephant, or Lion! However,though I can't affod ELE, or Lion, I hunt Buffalo for the same reason I hunt anything that is dangerous, because he can make paste out of you if you make a mistake, and is quite willing to show you he can!
You have to understand what makes dangerous game dangerous! If hunted properly, the animals listed as Dangerous game are a real thret to life and limb, but if the hunter shoots at 100 yds or farther, nothing is dangerous! If you walk on your own two feet, and get in close, you are in for some real sport, and the fact that the Cape Buffalo can take a lot of killing while he's comming your way, makes him about as dangerous as a run away freight train! The Grizzly, or Brown bear is a very dangerous animal,but is not in the class of the Cape Buffalo, Lion or Elephant! He is not as dangerous to those who hunt him,as he is to those hunting something else ! The Grizz is fairly soft, compared to African species of DG! Very few Grizz are killed at close range, but are usually shot at 75yds on out to 300 yds. He is more dangerous because he may not be seen in time, in tight Alders, and take the hunter by suprise, while he's hunting something else!
I could hunt Buffalo every day for the rest of my life, and never tire of them! ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif)
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22 September 2003, 03:08
Boss KongoniI hope to go on my 1st Buff hunt next year. I look at Cape Buffalo in the same manner as Elk hunting here, in that you are actually working at your hunt, spotting, stalking, working in close vs. sitting on a bait pile(Bear), hanging bait(Lion/Leopard). Not that these arn't valid hunting methods. We all have our own challenges.
22 September 2003, 03:14
shakariLots of people opt for Buff as they're the cheapest and most numerous of the Dangerous Game to hunt by far. But in my opinion they're also the most exciting to hunt.
Elephants and Rhino can often be turned during a charge even if you don't kill them. Cats can be killed relatively easily, but a Buffalo doesn't usually die with the first shot and unless you have broken the spinal column or taken the brain out it will usually stay on its feet. He will soak up lead and energy like a sponge....... but the most exciting thing about a Buff is that once he's started his charge he won't stop,he won't give up and he won't give in. either you kill him or he'll kill you...... that's why every time I have a day between clients in a suitable area I'll go out to hunt a Buff for myself.
I love 'em!!!!
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22 September 2003, 03:38
NickuduAlways a fun hunt, often a great hunt.
Reasonably affordable for the man of average means.
Prolific enough and "Souless" enough, that hunting them, repeatedly, does not weigh heavily on my mind.
A buffalo bull of good configuration is, IMO, the finest looking African trophy, by far.
22 September 2003, 09:55
leo-tooHey Saeed, what about that buff in "Buffalo at 12 yards" video? Sure looked like he looking for you guys after your first shot. I mean if I had shot a buff and he took off, did a u-turn and then a right turn and headed straight for me and then only stopped at 12 yards as though to get me in his sights? Just then you head shot him at that moment and put him down.
22 September 2003, 17:51
Saeedleo-too,
That bull was may be THINKING of charging, but he actually was not allowed to finish it off. So I cannot in all honesty say he was charging.
This year, on a couple of occasions, the buffalo looked at us, and I think if we got any closer we might have had a charge.
I think it is utterly irresponsible for a hunter to induce a charge.
23 September 2003, 03:47
Nickuduquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
leo-too,
I think it is utterly irresponsible for a hunter to induce a charge.
Absolutely. That goes for a "PH" too.
23 September 2003, 04:00
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by leo-too:
Hey Saeed, what about that buff in "Buffalo at 12 yards" video? Sure looked like he looking for you guys after your first shot. I mean if I had shot a buff and he took off, did a u-turn and then a right turn and headed straight for me and
>>then only stopped at 12 yards as though to get me in his sights? Just then you head shot him at that moment and put him down.<<
That's the way it is supposed to be done! I agree with Saeed, inducing a charge when you can down the bull with out that, is irresponsible.
Once a charge starts he won't stop unless you stop him, and that is a bad place to make your second mistake. The first mistake was inducing the charge in the first place! It takes no skill to induce a charge from a Cape Buffalo, all that is required is to get too close, and wait, he will do the rest! ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif)
23 September 2003, 05:18
AtkinsonI agree with Mac, I have seen that Buff that was looking for Saeed and it was without a doubt a charge, the bull just couldn't quite locate saeed and Saeed shot it before it sorted him out...I had a near exact charge this year..I have had a couple of charges out of many Buffalo shot....Only one I thought was actually life threatening and up close...
I prefer to hunt Buffalo over everything else, must be the cowboy in me, cows have been running over me all my life, now I'm getting even..Elephants rate high also. Cats are not my thing, but a Lion charge is the most awsome experience anyone can experience, leopards in the long grass are interresting...I am perfectly happy hunting Buff in the long grass, I like it there.
25 September 2003, 15:10
RIPMay have something subconscious to do with hamburger and beef steak. As Mottsoomee would say, as he skinned the buffalo: "Fresh meat! Ho ho ho jeeze!"
25 September 2003, 16:17
LeopardtrackWhat is the story with Mark Sullivan?
26 September 2003, 09:19
Dago RedBarring winning the lottery I will never be able to hunt Elephant, or lion probably, but someday might swing a buffalo hunt. All it took for me were two stories in magazines about hunting buffalo, one being Jack O'Conner's buffalo that took like 7 shots before it finally went down (the kill shots being both barrels from a 470 into the head).
It seems to me from where I am that they are cunning, vindictive at times, tough beyond reckoning, and enbody the spirit of not going down without a fight. and I hear that sometimes they will even stalk the hunter!
Like I said though, I have just armchair hunted them. hopefully someday will get to try the real thing.
Red
26 September 2003, 09:34
<allen day>You hunt them because you legally can, and because they're big; they're ugly; they're handsome; they're numerous; they're powerful; they resourceful; they're vindictive; they're cunning; they're resolute; they're detemined; they're enduring; and because they can kill you at will. Your coolness, your resolution, and your luck has to be greater and more overpowering than their's, or you will not carry the day.....
........A whole different can of worms than some hunting some wimpy little whitetail deer that you can knock over with a .243, and who merely wants to elude you. And yes, I love hunting those, too!
AD
26 September 2003, 10:19
NickuduVery nicely put, Allen!
26 September 2003, 10:27
JBoutfishnddun, nothing has ever got my adrenaline going like hunting Buff in the long grass. I had a pair of Buff turn to face me at 50 feet with what I felt were "bad intentions". Since we were on a cull hunt, Each received a 500 grain Woodleigh from my double. When the first one went down, the second one did not run.
Were they about to charge? I never gave them the chance. I don't know when I ever felt more alive. Thats why I hunt Buffalo. I guess its called the thrill of the chase. You may want to consider it.
I am sure the same rush is found in hunting the big cats, finances willing, I will try that very soon.