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24 December 2020, 09:42
lavaca
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Saw that two lion killed and partially ate a teenage girl in India this week. The Indian authorities are in a bit of a quandry as to what to do with the lions. Last I checked, there were only about 500 Asian lions left.
24 December 2020, 18:03
drongo
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


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25 December 2020, 08:37
surefire7
What a tragedy. God rest her soul.

I didn't know India had Lions. Were these Tigers??
25 December 2020, 12:59
lavaca
Drongo,

Apparently, the Indian authorities agree with you. They have apparently set cage traps for the lions. What they'll do with them when and if (a big if) they catch them, remains to be seen.

Yes, there are Asian lions, but not many.
27 December 2020, 18:31
Jan Dumon
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


Simply because they will do it again. and it will become easier for them every time as they become bolder. Human lives are at stake.

Seeing that there are only around 500 of these Lions left , that poses a different angle on the problem , although it will hardly harm the population.

Animal-Human conflict will always be a problem. Sometimes destroying animals is part and parcel of the management.


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27 December 2020, 18:46
ledvm
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


I have to agree with drongo. They are lions. Part of their mystique is that they could kill and eat you.

The answer is—if we want to continue to have wild animals and wild places...they are going to have to be protected from people not vice versa.

If you don’t want to be eaten...stay away. (Am well aware this is easier said than done for a rural 11 yr old Indian/African.)

Manage these lions with controlled hunting—give them and their territory worth. Keep people from encroachment.


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29 December 2020, 15:46
Jan Dumon
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


I have to agree with drongo. They are lions. Part of their mystique is that they could kill and eat you.

The answer is—if we want to continue to have wild animals and wild places...they are going to have to be protected from people not vice versa.

If you don’t want to be eaten...stay away. (Am well aware this is easier said than done for a rural 11 yr old Indian/African.)

Manage these lions with controlled hunting—give them and their territory worth. Keep people from encroachment.


I think you're 100 % right about how it should work.
In this incidence and where lions have already killed someone ,I think the answer is simple. They need to be either moved to an area with zero chance of interaction with people , or shot.


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29 December 2020, 15:52
DCS Member
quote:
Originally posted by Jan Dumon:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


I have to agree with drongo. They are lions. Part of their mystique is that they could kill and eat you.

The answer is—if we want to continue to have wild animals and wild places...they are going to have to be protected from people not vice versa.

If you don’t want to be eaten...stay away. (Am well aware this is easier said than done for a rural 11 yr old Indian/African.)

Manage these lions with controlled hunting—give them and their territory worth. Keep people from encroachment.


I think you're 100 % right about how it should work.
In this incidence and where lions have already killed someone ,I think the answer is simple. They need to be either moved to an area with zero chance of interaction with people , or shot.


I was surprised to read this, as I did not know there were wild lions there.

Are they lions who may have escaped from captivity?


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29 December 2020, 16:42
fairgame
quote:
Originally posted by DCS Member:
quote:
Originally posted by Jan Dumon:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


I have to agree with drongo. They are lions. Part of their mystique is that they could kill and eat you.

The answer is—if we want to continue to have wild animals and wild places...they are going to have to be protected from people not vice versa.

If you don’t want to be eaten...stay away. (Am well aware this is easier said than done for a rural 11 yr old Indian/African.)

Manage these lions with controlled hunting—give them and their territory worth. Keep people from encroachment.


I think you're 100 % right about how it should work.
In this incidence and where lions have already killed someone ,I think the answer is simple. They need to be either moved to an area with zero chance of interaction with people , or shot.


I was surprised to read this, as I did not know there were wild lions there.

Are they lions who may have escaped from captivity?


An indigenous population of Asiatic Lion. I think there are about 500 protected animals.


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01 January 2021, 22:50
drongo
quote:
Originally posted by Jan Dumon:
quote:
Originally posted by drongo:
Why kill a lion for acting like a lion?


Simply because they will do it again. and it will become easier for them every time as they become bolder. Human lives are at stake.

Seeing that there are only around 500 of these Lions left , that poses a different angle on the problem , although it will hardly harm the population.

Animal-Human conflict will always be a problem. Sometimes destroying animals is part and parcel of the management.


My understanding is that all the Indian lions are in a national park. They have continuous problems with tigers killing people entering the parks to collect firewood or to graze livestock. Could be the same issue with the lions.


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02 January 2021, 05:00
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"Animal-Human conflict will always be a problem. Sometimes destroying animals is part and parcel of the management.[/QUOTE]"

+1


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06 January 2021, 08:44
Michael Robinson
When we were last in Rome several years ago, we saw a beautiful old Asiatic lion in the Rome Zoo. He was magnificent, with a huge black mane.



But a man-eater simply must be killed. Jim Corbett made a career out of doing that throughout India in the first half of the last century, although he mainly dealt with tigers.


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08 January 2021, 11:46
lavaca
He's beautiful. But I don't think there's that much of a bright line. If the lions were where they were supposed to be and the people were trespassing, I don't think you punish the lions. If they stray out of their area, it might be a different issue. That all said, there are a whole lot more people than lions, so they need to be cut a little slack. IMHO