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Westley Richards is here!
04 January 2005, 05:56
JudgeGWestley Richards is here!
It took a while to get the final few bucks to be able to call it really my own, but I finally paid the last few grand and the below is mine!
It's a Westley Richards boxlock, ejector,.450/.400 3 1/4" and it shoots wonderfully. On the side pictured, it has a lion engraved (a tiger on the opposite) and pretty, almost European scroll everywhere else. It has a flip-up moon front sight, 200 through 500 yard flip-up rear express sights and the triggers are as good as a custom bolt gun. The best part is that my very first load, 81 grains of 4831 and a Woodleigh 400 grain solid (estimated 2150 fps) shot less than an inch at fifty yards.
I'm looking forward to the Double Rifle Shooters Society hunt and showing it off!... not to mention taking a buffalo in the Selous this summer.
After much fooling around I think I got the pictures on here with the target below... I hope??
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
04 January 2005, 06:05
OldsargeI say, Judgie ol' chap, yer goin' t'havter try those Kodaks again. Didn't come through this try.
Sarge
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04 January 2005, 08:02
JudgeG
Maybe you can see both pictures to which I refer? Seems that one will come up once, then the other... What gives?
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
04 January 2005, 09:09
OldsargeNope, all I get is the little box with the red x in her. When I right click to "show picture" I still get the same little box. Odd, that.
Sarge
Holland's .375: One Planet, One Rifle . . . for one hundred years!
04 January 2005, 09:15
JudgeGGot it now..
I'll post some close ups of the engraving tomorrow. Maybe Mbogo375 will post some of his W-R. His is obviously engraved (at least the lion and tiger) by the same guy. His is a .450/.400 3" and shoots .408 bullets while mine is the longer version (3.25") and shoots .411 bullets. Since both perform exactly the same, I wonder why both were marketed?
The orange circle has a 2" radius, btw.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
04 January 2005, 12:53
Dave JamesVery nice Judge, heres wishing you a big Bull, of your choice of course

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04 January 2005, 13:03
RustyShe's beautiful. You bringing her to Dallas?
cya there!
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04 January 2005, 17:17
jorgeNice rig Judge! where did you find it, can you post more pics? thanks! jorge
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04 January 2005, 18:10
BradVery cool... what year was she made?
04 January 2005, 18:15
PalmerCongratulations Judge. That could be the ticket for a one gun safari to the Selous.
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04 January 2005, 18:52
ErikDGreat stuff Judge! Congratulations! I'm also hoping you can post some more detailed pictures and fill us in on what year it was made etc.
Erik

04 January 2005, 19:16
JefferyDenmarkJudge
Congratulations on your new double.
Please post some close up pictures of the lassi
Cheers,
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04 January 2005, 19:52
ForrestBVery classy, Judge. That rifle looks to be all business. I've never had too much interest in double rifles but you guys are wearing me down.
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04 January 2005, 20:30
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
http://www.hunt101.com/img/237147.jpg
That looks like a piece of junk, so you need to bring it to Dallas, and I'll get rid of it for you!

Congratulations!
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04 January 2005, 21:37
475GuyYo Judge
That makes, by my count, 4 nice doubles you've got there. Your 475 Nitro#2, 375 Flanged, 470NE by Butch Searcy, and now your 450/400. You open for adoptions, you need an heir?
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04 January 2005, 21:54
surestrike
Judge,
What a treasure!!
Congratulations..
04 January 2005, 22:19
JudgeGMore pictures. I'm not sure about the quality, thereof, though.
I believe the rifle was made in 1914, right before WWI, I guess. And no, I'm not taking it to Dallas. I figure there is a finite number of times you can play gun case roulette with an airline and I'd rather save my winning baggage tickets for Africa.

JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
04 January 2005, 22:25
<500grainss>Judge,
Do you plan to keep your Searcy?
04 January 2005, 22:41
JudgeGI hope to be able to continue to afford it. George has both my .475 and .375 at
www.champlinarms, but I believe I have the .375 sold to someone I corresponded with before the consignment. Both rifles will be in Dallas at the Champlin booth and I'll take the .375 home to privately sell if it doesn't go there. I really want to do a 21 day safari to Tanzania and I'll need to sell two of the doubles to do so. I'm hoping the Searcy isn't one of them since I worked so closely with Butch in the making, etc. It also is "elephant" worthy and a 60 # is my new "Holy Grail"!
BTW, does anyone have a book that will date the rifle if I e-mail them a serial number?
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
04 January 2005, 22:58
FjoldThat's really something special. I'd love to talk myself into something like that but that sort of thing will have to wait until after my first couple of trips to Africa.
Frank
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04 January 2005, 23:33
AtkinsonGolly yer honer, thats a real piece of shit, ya shoulda got an JC Higgens double like my paps.
Ray Atkinson
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Filer, Idaho, 83328
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05 January 2005, 00:48
ErikDquote:
BTW, does anyone have a book that will date the rifle if I e-mail them a serial number?
I think you can do that online at:
Westley RichardsPs. I'm up for adoption!!!

Erik

05 January 2005, 03:46
RustyJudge,
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but if the case length is on the flats, that means that your rifle was made after "The Rules of 1925" which required the case length be included on the rifle.
You gotta be the luckiest $&%(*&^& I know!

Congrats again!
Rusty
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05 January 2005, 04:04
JudgeGRusty:
I'll take a picture of the "flats" or watermarks and proofs tomorrow for you.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
05 January 2005, 04:31
vapodogyea, yea ,yea.....I'm not envious
I'm not jealous.....
If I repeat that enough times I'll sleep ok tonite.
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05 January 2005, 18:51
jjsJudgeG:
Congrats! I will be looking forward to your adventures and stories with your new acquisition.
05 January 2005, 19:20
MinkmanFantastic rifle!
How come it doesn't have a hogback stock?
Jerry
05 January 2005, 19:30
AtkinsonI'm telling ya, don't listen to these guys,its junk, bring it to Dallas and I will help you salvage it, I know some guys there that'll buy anything with two holes!
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
05 January 2005, 20:17
JudgeGHere's a little bit better picture of the engraving of the lion.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
05 January 2005, 21:21
mbogo375quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
More pictures. I'm not sure about the quality, thereof, though.
I believe the rifle was made in 1914, right before WWI, I guess. And no, I'm not taking it to Dallas. I figure there is a finite number of times you can play gun case roulette with an airline and I'd rather save my winning baggage tickets for Africa. 
I'll post some close ups of the engraving tomorrow. Maybe Mbogo375 will post some of his W-R. His is obviously engraved (at least the lion and tiger) by the same guy. His is a .450/.400 3" and shoots .408 bullets while mine is the longer version (3.25") and shoots .411 bullets. Since both perform exactly the same, I wonder why both were marketed?
JudgeG,
I am glad that our cobbled together reloads worked well for you ;D. Here are a few photos of my rifle for comparison.
Looks like you got a real winner there

.
Jim
Sorry about the quality of this first photo, but it is an extreme enlargement of a portion of the original photo.
05 January 2005, 21:37
JudgeGI win the contest! My lion's nuts are bigger than your lion's nuts!
Obivously they didn't have CNC machines back then, but the likeness of the two leo's makes one wonder????

Ernest/JudgeG
05 January 2005, 22:37
ErikDJudgeG,
Did you try to check the year it was made on the
http://www.westleyrichards.com/members/date.html link?
06 January 2005, 00:19
JudgeGThe first time I tried, I got 1863???
I ran the same numbers and then got 1902. Rusty tells me after looking at the proofmarks, etc. that he believes it is a post-1925 gun. I guess I'll just have to pay the W-R folks the $50 and get the whole history to find out for sure.
JudgeG
06 January 2005, 00:38
mbogo375quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
The first time I tried, I got 1863???
I ran the same numbers and then got 1902. Rusty tells me after looking at the proofmarks, etc. that he believes it is a post-1925 gun. I guess I'll just have to pay the W-R folks the $50 and get the whole history to find out for sure.
JudgeG
Ernest,
I just ran my double on the W-R web site(which is an earlier serial number than yours, as you know), and got 1912 as the manufacture date. I wonder if that letter prefix on your rifle is the reason for the problem in matching your rifle to their database.
Jim
06 January 2005, 00:39
CFAErnest,
I believe you can letter your WR by writing them direct with the serial #. Ask George at Dallas. I may have found my H&H will know at Dallas. Look forward to dropping by your party.
Fred
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06 January 2005, 01:19
MACVery, very nice. Great caliber too. I've got a William Evans underlever in 450/400 3 1/4 and I love it. Mine will put 4 rounds inside 1 1/2 inch at 50 yards all day long. Best caliber for a double in my humble opinion.
Cheers Mac
06 January 2005, 19:36
NitroXDamned nice. I hope your vintage W-R double drops an equally fine tusker in the Selous this year.
06 January 2005, 23:44
700 nitrospeaking of westly richards they have a real nice 577 for sale they are asking about 40,000 for but id rather have a searcy for half that price.
my 700 nitro is for sale at the westly richards store in montana call em up if yall are interested.
http://www.westleyrichards.com/gun/used_guns_2_product.php?id=25310