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19 December 2004, 02:40
Sunshine
Re: The reality of the new SA arms laws:
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The whites and blacks of Southern Africa have one thing in common though: A totally illogical hatred of the Bushmen who has been harassed by every fraction that�s come in touch with them.



Curt,
you can't be sober. No white person in South Africa hates the Bushmen!!! The oposite is true. The Blacks can't stand them, correct. There are lots of South African books on Bushmen.
Years ago I participated in a safari to the 'real' Bushmen of the Kalahari (Botswana). We spent a week amongst them, what a wonderful time it was.
Whites hate the Bushmen? You are kidding!
19 December 2004, 02:27
cewe
The Finnish redneck community has several names for black people, a couple of the ones you name are quite common. You Swedes aren�t any better though when it comes to namecalling: blattar, svartskallar, trasskallar...

There is no perfect country or political system, quite a few people in modern Russia long for the old communist regime. Why? That had more to eat then.

I see Boers/Anglos who�ve been living in Africa for generations as White Africans. The only true South Africans are the Bushmen, everyone else fled into the country from the North due to tribal warfare.

The whites and blacks of Southern Africa have one thing in common though: A totally illogical hatred of the Bushmen who has been harassed by every fraction that�s come in touch with them.
18 December 2004, 08:45
pwm
cewe

it has nothing to do with this here,remeber a scene in the ferry harbor in tallin years ago. was waiting for my ferry to stockholm, other waiting for helsinki. different people, most sweden and finnish but remarkable many negro's. I think they flying to russia and take this way going into the west. a very drunken fin control the passports of the negro's just for having fun and allmost everyone showed him this.

when i talk with political correct people allways say: NEGRO

19 December 2004, 00:59
<JOHAN>
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As for Finlands percentage of "colorful" foreignors, there was an article the newspaper the other day here in Norway were this came up (regarding how good school is in Finnland compaired to how bad it is here in Norway), and it seems like Finland has about 2%! Which is incredably low! Apperantly this makes the school (and Finnish society in general) more homogeneous, with far less language problems etc. then is found here in Norway (and probably most other European countrys?). There are a couple of schools in Oslo where a 30 student class consists of only 1 or 2 ethnical Norwegians, while the rest are a mix from all over; Somalians, Kosovo-Albanians, Pakistanis, Bosnians, Sri Lankans, and so on. A recipe for disaster in regard to learning when most of them have problems with even basic Norwegian. Even though their parents have lived here for 10-30 years. They prefer to speak their "mother tongue" at home...




Erik,
School's in Oslo? I guess it would be mainly those around Gr�nland

Cewe- What do you call the 2% of "new finish" citizens? I have heard musta, musto or mustap� seems to be popular terms

"African" is not a very accurate term since there are European, Indian and Asian minorities living in Africa

Cheers
/ JOHAN
18 December 2004, 22:07
ErikD
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Negroes are probably the most racist race on earth and one of the main problems for all the strife in Africa. The Zimbabwe and South African governments are incredibly racist and this is borne out by their policies and actions.

What percentage of the Finnish population is negro or "black" if you prefer?



NitroX,

Your first observation is pretty much just what we found out while driving thru africa. And it's in a ll regions both west, north, east and south of the continent... There is no doubt in my mind that most of strife and problems is linked to their own way of thinking rather than the "whiteman" whom usually gets the blame. We physically and psychologically felt the degree of racism towards whites on several occations, in ways that would have put those guilty of it in jail back at home... Without a doubt. It's not that this goes for all africans, but it's far more widespread than people back home generally want to admit to themselves, and to a far stronger degree than you'll find back in Europe from whites towards blacks. In my experiance.

As for Finlands percentage of "colorful" foreignors, there was an article the newspaper the other day here in Norway were this came up (regarding how good school is in Finnland compaired to how bad it is here in Norway), and it seems like Finland has about 2%! Which is incredably low! Apperantly this makes the school (and Finnish society in general) more homogeneous, with far less language problems etc. then is found here in Norway (and probably most other European countrys?). There are a couple of schools in Oslo where a 30 student class consists of only 1 or 2 ethnical Norwegians, while the rest are a mix from all over; Somalians, Kosovo-Albanians, Pakistanis, Bosnians, Sri Lankans, and so on. A recipe for disaster in regard to learning when most of them have problems with even basic Norwegian. Even though their parents have lived here for 10-30 years. They prefer to speak their "mother tongue" at home...

The same can also be said to a certain degree about many african countrys where most tribes have their own language, and only know the basics of the countrys "offical" language. Unfortunatly, it's being a bit overly optimistic to think they will ever get along if you ask me. Although there was one uniting factor we did encountered in east africa; everyone hated the Somalis which are tradtionally looked upon as a group of bandits!

Erik (the semi-pessimist!)
19 December 2004, 00:37
cewe
That the black are the most racist people in the world is probably wrong, I think the Japanese should be awarded that prize. Finland has deeply rooted racist tendencies, several black American basketball players left our national league due to racial harassment. We are also well known to very restrictive in taking refugees though we have some Kurds, Somalis and Kosovo Albanians.

This is not might point and it is my point: We�re all human, we make mistakes and tend to oversimplify problems -generalization though is dangerous and leads to polarization and that isn�t constructive if your dealing with a complicated problem. Nor is unilateral condemnation a road to objectiveness.

I have no solutions and I got off the soapbox years ago. I do feel that by not learning from history and not aknowledging basic human nature are grave mistakes. If we are the more "civilized" we should also hold the capacity to at least try to understand instead of being reactionary. I sincerely hope that SA does not go down the drain like Zim has and it is important that the international community is watchful of what is going on there and intervenes when problems emerge that put the new democracy at risk.

All newly independant nations have teething problems, in Finland we had a civil (1917) war that has left scars that still haven�t healed.

By not aknowledging the whole situation we�re just contributing to already existing problems.

My 2 cents and I have more important things to do than educate you bums!

That is a joke!
18 December 2004, 19:08
pwm
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pwm: I really don�t like people using words like spic, nigger, negro, wop, greaser, kike etc, it show�s bad taste.




I dont like the thinking that anyone on earth have to say me what for words I use or whats going on in my brain. this nothing against your opinion - this is yours- I respect it and will allways help you to have it and defend it against BIG BROTHER.
Some years ago it was a big fashion in this american gangster rap music to use the word " nigger", when I say this the PC, it was like a ligthning for them. what will they do, this is comimg from negro's. the political correct man is the most stupid man ever in history.

150 years ago the negro living more or less in stoneage, what they are today is made from europeans and pay from europeans. the african goverments are allways corrupt but blame the europeans for the problems they made alone.
I am independent, this means I DONT thing that you have to give me money because:I AM INDEPENDENT. I am REPONSIBLE for the problems I HAVE. I dont blame it ON YOU when have problems in my house.
This is the difference between an addult human and and a child.


bad taste inmy eyes is to wait that someone is coming to help me out
19 December 2004, 03:59
cewe
Historically everybody had it in for the Bushmen -white, black, Hottentot you name it. The Voertrekkers (often with bible in one hand and a gun in the other) had hunting parties gunning them down and they were classed "bird free" meaning that they could -and should- be shot on sight. Same as the aboriginees of Australia, American Indians, European Gypisies etc.

I�d really like to spend some time with the Bushmen, I�ve heard that they are a remarkable people.
19 December 2004, 06:56
cewe
Sunshine: Laurens van der Post (South African bred and born) describes the plight of the Bushman in "The Lost World of the Kalahari". Very good reading...and he sees the .375 H&H as THE all round gun for Africa!

And I was sober when I wrote that last post ...now is a different story!
18 December 2004, 18:38
NitroX
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pwm: I really don�t like people using words like ....... negro, .............. etc, it show�s bad taste.







What f&%# else do you call negro blacks from Africa?????



That is their racial group. Negroes come from Africa. Their racial grouping is negroid.



This PCism is so ridiculous as in the USA it is considered racist to also call them "black". I assume 'coloured' is acceptable, but who 'coloured' them? Did someone go wild with a black ink texta or pen? And what colour is "coloured"? God give me strength with all this BS.



Negroes are probably the most racist race on earth and one of the main problems for all the strife in Africa. The Zimbabwe and South African governments are incredibly racist and this is borne out by their policies and actions.



What percentage of the Finnish population is negro or "black" if you prefer? Before you get on your soapbox.