Revolving DGR?

16 March 2002, 04:49

Wendell Reich

Not a riflesmith or an expert by any streach of the imagination, but I would guess the revolver is not a strong enough action to handle the big DGR rounds.

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Wendell Reich
Hunter's Quest International

16 March 2002, 08:16

Jiri

Revolvers are strong enought, but problem is (my opinion) escaping gases between barrel and cylinder . . . Try to handle revolver there and fire it, not good idea . . . How would you like to construct this rifle ?

Buffalobwana:
There are custom made revolvers in .458Win and .600 nitro, .454 reach 70000Psi pressure, so revolvers are strong enought.

16 March 2002, 09:22

Eterry

Colt made cap and ball revolving rifles, and as I recall the biggest downfall was the escaping gas from the cylinder gap. The modern revolving carbines have a place under the trigger guard for you to place your hand under the cylinder instead of in front of it.
Good luck and good shooting

16 March 2002, 10:48

MacD37

The problem with the Colt C&P revolving rifle is, the blast of gasses from the chamber fireing, would sometimes cause the other five chambers to fire as well. This is the reason this Colt rifle was discontinued, and is the dirrect reason this is one of the rarest Colt rifles to find today. This fireing of other chambers, wouldn't be a problem with a cartridge rifle. However the escapeing gas would do a real number on your forearm, with a rifle chambered for say a 458 LOTT!

I don't think it would be a very good design for a DGR though, as too much chamber pressure would be lost to the open air around the cylinder/barrel gap, not to mention the blinding effect it would have on the shooter in dim light,and the wounding of the shooter's forearm, negateing the the next five shots!

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16 March 2002, 11:16

JohnTheGreek

MacD37,

As I'm sure you know, the promise of an eventual chain fire would lead Colt to market the revolving carbine with photographs illustrating a proper firing position that differed from a standard rifle. I have seen advertising drawings from the period that show individuals firing the carbine with both hands back near the trigger. Good way to keep ones fingers eh?

Regards,

JohnTheGreek

16 March 2002, 11:17

JohnTheGreek

Double post . . . sorry.

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16 March 2002, 14:24

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by JohnTheGreek:
MacD37,
I have seen advertising drawings from the period that show individuals firing the carbine with both hands back near the trigger. Good way to keep ones fingers eh?

Regards,
JohnTheGreek

Sure would be a way to keep the fingers, but I don't think I'd want to shoot a 458 LOTT with both hands on the trigger guard!

IMO, the shooting position required to shoot this thing safely would be very off balance, and not too conducive to follow up shots! Just let me stick with my side by side double rifles, for dangerous game! It might be alright chambered for 30-30, or 45 long colt,for deer, if some type of gas guard were installed so you could hold the rifle in a conventual manner! I'll pass, however! <<<< GRIN >>>>>

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DUGABOY DESIGNS
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16 March 2002, 14:39

JohnTheGreek

Mac,
I agree!

JohnTheGreek

16 March 2002, 15:11

Dr. Duc

The Nagant system on revolvers does away with the problem of escaping gas but I don't know ir the other parts of the action design is strong enough for the recoil.

17 March 2002, 05:35

Jiri

Nagants was "rechambered" for 7.62Tokarev, it is relatively high pressure round, I belive that strong action using modern steels and accurate machining could be made . . .

18 March 2002, 22:35

Danny Pay

Hi
The Nagan revolver is a patent which seal the gas port. this problem could be solved with a little bit more work on the action. jeeee can you imagin 6 shooter in 458?

danny

18 March 2002, 22:44

Jiri

Danny: I seen .458 win revolver in gun magazine and there was .600 nitro express revolver at IWA show . . .

19 March 2002, 01:05

Danny Pay

Hi jiri
I am not the guy to shoot a .458 sixgun, but a revolving rifle with sealed gas port ,would have many advantages as DGR:
BR
Danny

19 March 2002, 03:40

500grains

A lot of people are put off by gas escaping from a muzzle brake about 30 inches or more from their head.

I suppose they would also be put off by gas escaping 6 inches from their head and cutting open their arm.

19 March 2002, 05:33

<CABirdDog>

There is already a revolving DGR in pretty common use, maybe not what you guys had in mind but....

http://www-acala1.ria.army.mil/LC/CS/Csa/kpm27.htm