Why did the DSC split off from SCI

03 August 2012, 21:46

Harry

In the early years a number of chapters did.
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.
A number of chapters split off and over time most went back except Dallas and Houston.
Dallas found out they had the horses that could pull the big wagon and then they could say where they wanted the money spent and on what. DSC just grew and grew thanks to the hard work of the membership. Being Texans there is no reason to go back. Let SCI do their thing and DSC will do what it does best. It all works for the good of conservation in the long run. All the other stuff was hashed out years ago and is water under the bridge. Lots of hunters and conservationist are members and supporters of both organizations. Maybe some old silver hair that still has a hard on over some of the old stuff but you have to dig hard to get that bone above ground now days.
I am in a booth at both conventions and will be for a few more years. I do think it is easier to see where the DSC money is being spent and how much goes where. That is just my thougt anyway.

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04 August 2012, 00:23

billrquimby

quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
In the early years a number of chapters did.
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.
A number of chapters split off and over time most went back except Dallas and Houston

Sorry, but that's not exactly the way it happened.

In the club's early years, chapters contributed only their members' dues to headquarters.

The split came when a minority group of chapters, including Dallas, walked out when a bylaws change requiring them to send 30% of their fund-raising proceeds to headquarters was approved by the club's board of directors, which consisted mainly of representatives of all of its chapters.

All of the dissenters eventually returned to SCI except the Dallas and Houston chapters.

This is covered in my book, "The History of SCI."

It should be noted that groups such as DU, RMEF, and others take 100% of their chapters' fund-raising proceeds.

Bill Quimby

04 August 2012, 00:27

Lhook7

quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
In the early years a number of chapters did.
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.
A number of chapters split off and over time most went back except Dallas and Houston

Sorry, but that's not exactly the way it happened.

In the club's early years, chapters contributed only their members' dues to headquarters.

The split came when a minority group of chapters, including Dallas, walked out when a bylaws change requiring them to send 30% of their fund-raising proceeds to headquarters was approved by the club's board of directors, which consisted mainly of representatives of all of its chapters.

All of the dissenters eventually returned to SCI except the Dallas and Houston chapters.

This is covered in my book, "The History of SCI."

It should be noted that groups such as DU, RMEF, and others take 100% of their chapters' fund-raising proceeds.

Bill Quimby

Bill,

Where is the difference in your post and Harry's?

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04 August 2012, 02:31

DCS Member

quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
In the early years a number of chapters did.
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.
A number of chapters split off and over time most went back except Dallas and Houston.
Dallas found out they had the horses that could pull the big wagon and then they could say where they wanted the money spent and on what. DSC just grew and grew thanks to the hard work of the membership. Being Texans there is no reason to go back. Let SCI do their thing and DSC will do what it does best. It all works for the good of conservation in the long run. All the other stuff was hashed out years ago and is water under the bridge. Lots of hunters and conservationist are members and supporters of both organizations. Maybe some old silver hair that still has a hard on over some of the old stuff but you have to dig hard to get that bone above ground now days.
I am in a booth at both conventions and will be for a few more years. I do think it is easier to see where the DSC money is being spent and how much goes where. That is just my thougt anyway.

Sounds a lot like the Quail Unlimited shake up a few years ago.

I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.

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04 August 2012, 06:40

billrquimby

quote:
Where is the difference in your post and Harry's?

quote:
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.

Neither the international organization nor its founder took "big sums from local fundraisers." The dissenting chapters pulled out immediately AFTER the board voted to require chapters to send 30% of the proceeds of their fund-raisers to headquarters.

Before that bylaws change, which was approved by representatives of the majority of its chapters, SCI's only income came from membership dues and its then-small conventions.

As for "not leaving funds for the local chapt. works," the change left chapters with 70% to spend on their local projects.

Bill Quimby

04 August 2012, 08:08

reddy375

I know from personal and first hand experience that many of the SCI chapters are in trouble or closing down. Infighting, big egos, people who want to be on the board but do F... all. Members who dont really care about the chapter and never bother attending events. One chapter after the other are in trouble. Atleast thats the way many of the NY and surrounding chapters have gone! I dont say this from some third hand hearsay I was a chapter director for many years under different chapter presidents!!!

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04 August 2012, 20:54

Lhook7

quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
quote:
Where is the difference in your post and Harry's?

quote:
People in the various cities got tired of McElroy taking big sums from the local fund raisers for SCI and not leaving funds for the local chapt. works. Then some locals were not sure who and where certain SCI folks were hunting and where that money came from.

Neither the international organization nor its founder took "big sums from local fundraisers." The dissenting chapters pulled out immediately AFTER the board voted to require chapters to send 30% of the proceeds of their fund-raisers to headquarters.

Before that bylaws change, which was approved by representatives of the majority of its chapters, SCI's only income came from membership dues and its then-small conventions.

As for "not leaving funds for the local chapt. works," the change left chapters with 70% to spend on their local projects.

Bill Quimby

Thanks for the response.

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2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
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7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
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13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.

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07 August 2012, 20:14

tendrams

quote:
Originally posted by billrquimby:
The minority dissenters who walked away were like kids saying, "I'm taking the ball and going home."

With all respect, it doesn't sound like that at all. At least in the case of DSC it sounds more like some really good teams in a pro sports league saying, "We don't want to carry the smaller players or teams anymore". It's always the smaller or unskilled who "take their ball and go home"... not the guys who get picked first for the team.

08 August 2012, 00:02

470EDDY

I have been a member of SCI since 1978 and president of a chapter for 3 terms. I have seen ALOT in these years and some of it does not impress me! Especially policing the ranks allowed at the Conveniton as Exhibitors!
Of recent, I had an African Outfitter clearly misrepresent his ability to obtain a Top 10 animal (never has put one in teh SCI book!), which he promised to get my booking, agreed to hunt me personally (didn't & put me with most inexpereinced guide on the farm), then lied about the quality of the (specialty) animal taken!
I find he has been expelled from NAPHA, and now I am having REAL TROUBLE in filing an ETHICS Complaint with SCI!! No problem on a poor hunting report, but I ahve been trying to get someone in WA DC to talk to me for two weeks now to file a complaint....NO Success??!! What does this tell you?