Getting older and no longer interested in loading for, practicing with, or toting a heavy rifle. Can I get away with one of these geezer calibers?

Opinions? Experience?

Thanks

Yes....both are close to 375 and 404 but are not.

Let the fun begin

Give me 9,3 over 10,75 anytime. Penetration of the longer thinner bullet is head and shoulders above the fatter and shorter one...

If you are not interested in loading, grab A2 9,3 loads and be done with it...

Tho consider the following

Due to caliber restrictions 9,3 (.366) you are alowed to hunt DG in the following countries:
Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa (some provinces), Zimbabwe

9,3 (.366) is illegal for DG in the following countries:
Botswana, Central African Republic, South Africa (some provinces), Tanzania, Zambia.

Both will do the job.
Personally I would prefer the 9,3x64.
Great caliber.
And you can get factory loads more easy than for the 10,75x68.
Take care of caliber restrictions in different countries as mouse mentioned.
rgds,
Andy

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Can I get away with one of these geezer calibers?

Opinions? Experience?

Thanks

Yes, 9.3 with good bullets work well on Buffalo.
Swift A Frames are my preferred 9.3mm Buffalo bullet.(286 or better still the 300grn ones if you can get them).

My 9,3x64 has shot numerous buffalo, a few elephant and hippo and some cats. It is an absulute brilliant little cartridge, and with Barnes TSX 286gr bullets, it most of the time exit on a broadside shot on Buff.

Go with the 9,3. My dad had one many years ago and with good bullets it's a hell of a cartridge. I wouldn't mind shooting buff with it loaded with Swift bullets or similar.

The 10,75, well, if you reload it's OK but I've never had much use for it. It's one of the very few things I'm in agreement with with Pondoro Taylor.

the one you shoot the best with

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Originally posted by H2CO3:
Getting older and no longer interested in loading for, practicing with, or toting a heavy rifle. Can I get away with one of these geezer calibers?

Opinions? Experience?

Thanks

Well, if you have a .375 H&H and shoot factory Norma loads with the 270 grain Barnes TSX, you will have a "legal-for-dangerous-game" caliber for almost any country, in a no-need to reload caliber with almost universal ammunition availability. Why would your rifle have to be any heavier than the 9,3X64 if you shoot that load? You would always have the option to go for heavier, harding hitting loads, which you wouldn't be able to do with the 9,3.

For a one rifle, one factory load combo that can do just about everything, I can't think of anything that would be better than a .375 H&H and the Norma 270 grain Barnes TSX ammunition.

Nothing geezer"ie" about the 9.3x64 it is hell on wheels...I sold mine due to brass aval.. but it was a great rifle and caliber. It is just about like a 375 Ruger witch is every bit as good as the H&H...use a barnes TSX is a 286 grain bullet and you will shoot thru almost any buffalo...I used a 9.3x62 on a Bison and Giraffe shot thru both with that bullet--and the 9.3x64 is just more of a good thing.

Merry Christmas,

Ed

How'd ya git that thar giraffe and bison to line up like that?

Huntington's shows both Jamison and RWS brass, so I may be in luck.

Because you are listing the 10.75x68 as one of the choices you are thinking of then I'm assuming you are happy to load your own but understandably want something a little less heavy to carry and to boot.

Agree generally with the concept of the 9.3 although the 9.3x64 is getting up to the sharper magnum type blast and recoil (from experience).

With modern powders the 10.75x68 can be safely loaded with a 400gr bullet to 2,100fps replicating the old 404 Jeffery loading, hence giving you the same dependable bullet and performance on DG as that bigger cartridge did and still does. With this loading in a light rifle the 10.75 cartridge would have less 'intensity' than the 9.3x64. Better still the 9.3x62 make a good all rounder in a light rifle.

Eagle27 - I like your logic. Definitely load my own. Maybe a 300gr FMJ going faster is the ticket for the 10.75 in a 9 lb rifle?

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Originally posted by H2CO3:
Eagle27 - I like your logic. Definitely load my own. Maybe a 300gr FMJ going faster is the ticket for the 10.75 in a 9 lb rifle?

No not for big game. This is where the 10.75x68 with its shortish 347gr bullets fell short on straight line penetration even with FMJs and the 404 also got tarred with that brush with the early 300gr Kynoch soft point loads doing 2600fps.

The good length 400gr FMJ or SN are what has built the 404 reputation as a reliable and efficient big game cartridge. History has shown that it is the long heavy bullets that perform best in most cartridges on big game. The 9.3's with their 286gr or heavier bullets meet this criteria and so do the 10.75's with the 400gr bullet.

9.3x64 is as good as the .375 in the field, i.e. buff or others can't tell the difference.

10.75x68, on the other hand, has a piss-poor reputation with the local hunters. You know, the type that doesn't even know what ballistics are and does not read gun magazines, but has spent half a century poaching big game in the bush.

The last one I saw with one of these (Oberndorf Mauser in 10.75x68) wanted to sell it. As an eland gun, because "it's not good for hippo and it's dangerous to do buffalo with it".

i think you guys need an update on the 10.75x68. i have a hofmann made rifle bough from ray. shooting 350x bullets it has taken N,A. Bison. through and through. killed a nilgi bull in sonora with 385 cps.no problems. ask ray atkinson on his kills with that light rifle. those in africa do not have the benefit of some of the bullets we have now!!!by the way, i have several 9.3x62, 2x 9.3x64 i have hunted with in africa as well as 416 taylor, 416 rem. mag.,404 jeffery, a 10.75x68. 416 rigby s well as various 458's. always take a375 s well as a 9.3 along with a heavy. never worried about which one i had in hand while hunting as i had enough gun.

Maybe I'll do both in a matching (sorta) pair.

Scoped 9.3 X 64 with 26" tube and 10.75 x 68 with 24" tube and open sights? Don't really like scopes (like a side mount spare on a Porsche).

Thanks All, for the guidance.

Taylor's poor opinion of all of the German cartridges was based on their poor bullets. Solids that would bend and rivet and consequentially fail to penetrate properly on dangerous game. Softs that broke up or shed their jackets and failed to penetrate on any big game.
He did have a caveat for the "trick" Brenneke TIG and TUG bullet designs, but they were common only in the 9.3x64 ammo, not the 10.75x68. With a good modern bullet like the Swift A-frame or even a good old design like the Woodleigh's the 10.75x68 should work as well as anything else mentioned for shooting a buffalo.

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Originally posted by CMcDermott:
Taylor's poor opinion of all of the German cartridges was based on their poor bullets. Solids that would bend and rivet and consequentially fail to penetrate properly on dangerous game. Softs that broke up or shed their jackets and failed to penetrate on any big game.
He did have a caveat for the "trick" Brenneke TIG and TUG bullet designs, but they were common only in the 9.3x64 ammo, not the 10.75x68. With a good modern bullet like the Swift A-frame or even a good old design like the Woodleigh's the 10.75x68 should work as well as anything else mentioned for shooting a buffalo.

Totally agree although Taylor did recognise it and I also place store in it, that sectional density is an important factor when looking at bullets for big and dangerous game. If we look at all the cartridges which have consistently performed well on game, even the small 6.5MS and 275Rigby/7mmMauser and especially the 9.3, 425WR, 416R and 404J have all had heavy and long bullets.
Irrespective of construction of the bullets in the early days, all these cartridges delivered the goods. Admittedly many of the bullets today are tougher in construction but there is nothing like a heavy long bullet for penetration and I'm not so sure that the shorter stubbier, albiet well constructed bullet, in any caliber will necessarily give the best performance.

Hence my thoughts on the 10.75x68, for non-dangerous game yes a modern 350gr or possibly a 300gr at good velocity will be ideal but for buffalo and and other DG my money would be on the 400gr at original 404J velocity.