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My 95 Lincoln Town Car is not yet a classic but it certainly isn't a 4x4, so I will put this topic in this section. I have the aforementioned Lincoln and it only has 75,000 miles on the clock and shines like a new dime. Anyway, the check engine light came on several years ago and I took it to a local garage and they scanned the OBD and told me the 2nd gear shift solenoid was causing too much resistance and needed to be replaced. They did the job and shut the check light off but warned me that if it came back on that it was probably a poor connection in the wiring harness to the transmission. The light did come back on a couple months later, so I went to a local auto parts store and borrowed their OBD scanner and sure enough it threw the same code as before the work was done. I have driven the car a couple years with the check engine light on but haven't liked it, so this spring I drove it to a different garage to have them sort out the wiring harness. They charged me $90 and said one connection had moisture in it that they repaired it but also said the light will come back on because the PCM (computer) was faulty. They gave me a quote of $469 to install a remanufactured PCM. I let it go until a couple weeks ago and found an outfit on-line that remanufactures them. I ordered the unit for $71 shipped with a lifetime warranty and the unit arrived yesterday. I spent two hours changing the part out this morning, and I am getting old and not so limber any more, and figure a garage could probably do it quicker than me. Should an auto shop make $199 per hour for their work? Maybe I am getting old and out of sinc with modern times but this just doesn't seem kosher to me.


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I have no idea but I remember when I was in my teen's in late 1970's that home renos were 3x material. Now it's closer to 10+x material.
 
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My 95 Lincoln Town Car is not yet a classic but it certainly isn't a 4x4, so I will put this topic in this section. I have the aforementioned Lincoln and it only has 75,000 miles on the clock and shines like a new dime. Anyway, the check engine light came on several years ago and I took it to a local garage and they scanned the OBD and told me the 2nd gear shift solenoid was causing too much resistance and needed to be replaced. They did the job and shut the check light off but warned me that if it came back on that it was probably a poor connection in the wiring harness to the transmission. The light did come back on a couple months later, so I went to a local auto parts store and borrowed their OBD scanner and sure enough it threw the same code as before the work was done. I have driven the car a couple years with the check engine light on but haven't liked it, so this spring I drove it to a different garage to have them sort out the wiring harness. They charged me $90 and said one connection had moisture in it that they repaired it but also said the light will come back on because the PCM (computer) was faulty. They gave me a quote of $469 to install a remanufactured PCM. I let it go until a couple weeks ago and found an outfit on-line that remanufactures them. I ordered the unit for $71 shipped with a lifetime warranty and the unit arrived yesterday. I spent two hours changing the part out this morning, and I am getting old and not so limber any more, and figure a garage could probably do it quicker than me. Should an auto shop make $199 per hour for their work? Maybe I am getting old and out of sinc with modern times but this just doesn't seem kosher to me.


How did you figure $199 per hour? Your reasoning is not sound.
 
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"How did you figure $199 per hour? Your reasoning is not sound."


The shop wanted $469 part and labor to do what I did myself for 71$ (part) and 2 hrs. of work to install it. $469-$71= $399/2= $199.50 per hr.

Even if they would have marked the part up to $110 and charged me $80/ hr labor the estimate should have been around $260.


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Most shops are in the neighborhood of $100+ per hour. Parts markups vary. A lot of the discount auto parts store's parts ain't very good. If I install a part for you I'm also offering a labor warranty. If I buy a junk rebuild, I have to do the labor again for free even though I didn't make the part. So, I try not to put sub par parts on my customer's cars.

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Even if they would have marked the part up to $110 and charged me $80/ hr labor the estimate should have been around $260.

I believe you need to check your math.
 
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His math looked fine to me considering rounding and the qualifier "around"!

Appears to me the were trying to take advanrage of you on the parts installation. However, butchlambert makes an excellent point with regards to the installation, and his labor warranty, on substandard parts. Perhaps the outfit you considered for the making of repairs added extra because of this.

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Most shops are in the neighborhood of $100+ per hour. Parts markups vary. A lot of the discount auto parts store's parts ain't very good. If I install a part for you I'm also offering a labor warranty. If I buy a junk rebuild, I have to do the labor again for free even though I didn't make the part. So, I try not to put sub par parts on my customer's cars.

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Even if they would have marked the part up to $110 and charged me $80/ hr labor the estimate should have been around $260.

I believe you need to check your math.
 
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It's not uncommon these days for someone to charge by the job. Unless he gave you a receipt with the detailed charges listed then it was probably a set price. About the costs that you quoted, I think you may have forgot to add in the diagnosis fee of $90.
Had you gone directly to a Ford dealership that lives and breathes Fords to begin with, you may have paid less or equal overall and gotten a part & labor warranty to boot, saving time in the process. Sometimes, not always, it pays to go to the top.


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It's not uncommon these days for someone to charge by the job. Unless he gave you a receipt with the detailed charges listed then it was probably a set price. About the costs that you quoted, I think you may have forgot to add in the diagnosis fee of $90.
Had you gone directly to a Ford dealership that lives and breathes Fords to begin with, you may have paid less or equal overall and gotten a part & labor warranty to boot, saving time in the process. Sometimes, not always, it pays to go to the top.


Not sure about that "pays to go to the top" comment.

EVERY TIME I've ever taken my vehicle to a stealership, ooops, I mean, dealership, for repairs, it has come out with more things wrong with it than when it went it. I swore off of stealership service long ago, unless it's a warranty issue.
 
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We had a great Ford place nearby when I still drove Fords. Then they sold out to a large corporate dealer and the brand was renamed and the new owners built a fancy new place and that was the end of good deals.

Then I discovered another dealer that "lives and breathes Fords" and is family owned and operated for several decades. Never tried to hook us on inspection parts or unwarranted service. That was 10 years ago. I still hear they are honest.

I agree about the high percentage of 'stealerships'. Most are all about the money. Not only Fords, Benzes, etc,also local inspections shops, all can try and rip you off. Benz shops all attempt more service or parts now. Some to the tune of $5000 or more. It's a shame how they take advantage of the uneducated.
But, no other car is a Benz. So, I do my due diligence and consider myself fortunate enough to be able to ward off the unnecessary.

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It's not uncommon these days for someone to charge by the job. Unless he gave you a receipt with the detailed charges listed then it was probably a set price. About the costs that you quoted, I think you may have forgot to add in the diagnosis fee of $90.
Had you gone directly to a Ford dealership that lives and breathes Fords to begin with, you may have paid less or equal overall and gotten a part & labor warranty to boot, saving time in the process. Sometimes, not always, it pays to go to the top.


Not sure about that "pays to go to the top" comment.

EVERY TIME I've ever taken my vehicle to a stealership, ooops, I mean, dealership, for repairs, it has come out with more things wrong with it than when it went it. I swore off of stealership service long ago, unless it's a warranty issue.


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Luckyducker, could I get a name or contact info from you for the company selling the PCM?

Thanks!

Mark


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Mark, the company is Flagship1 and here is a link to the on-line store www.fs1inc.com


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