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I bought a custom Mauser 98 std action rifle opened up for 416 rem mag. Fed fine but had std length follower, never tried to close bolt on 3 down. Put mag length follower and +10 spring in it. Minor filing and polish to get it reliable but serious force required to get bolt over 3 down. Should I get the bottom of the follower milled for a bit more depth? Or? Scott | ||
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I do make bottom metal that will old four down with compression room. It involves proper stack along with a floor plate with a .150 deep cavity. I don't find heavier magazine springs of much merit except to make for stiffer feeding! SOMETIMES worth while in cartridges such as 450 Rigby, 500 Jeff, etc. Unfortunately, a retro fit is probably out of he question..just for future ref | |||
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If you are trying to just get 3 down with less force, your milling approach should work. Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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What are you going to do with 4 shots that you can't do with three? | |||
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Thanks for the replies. Bought the rifle from Cabela's in Va. Zastava, stamped Interarms, Manchester etc. NECG sights, Timney, heavy barrel, FN straight bolt handle and gorgeous wood for $900. 24 lpi that had been sanded. Had checkering chased metal and stock matted. Bedded, pillared, crossbolt. Looks and shoots proper, but reloads have to be a bit methodical due to short action. Barrel has a 2nd full size recoil lug at forend tip. Sound famiiar to anyone? Curious about barrel manuf. and who might have built it. Thanks, Scott | |||
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That brings back a memory! well known metalsmsith made a 338 that held three down. I did the stocking and went to a client in Alaska. Short version..bear damn near got him even with three well placed shots. His partner delivered the final shot. But he sent the gun back to me with instructions to make it hold four down "No matter what you have to do" I milled out the floorplate as much as possible, then filed the box wider at the bottom and widened the rails a bit...ended up with four down and compression room to single load. Yeah...sometimes "one more" can save the day, My criteria is to always hav e four down with a DGR Can even be done with 500 Jeff | |||
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I am throwing all my double rifles into the trash tonight. Now rendered useless. | |||
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If you can achieve you 3 down with compression room, it's easy to learn to single load a mauser and you will have 4 in your gun Lay the action in the palm of your weak weak hand open the bolt, drop a round in the chamber reach your weak hand fingers up and depress the middle of the extractor arm inward flexing the extractor claw slightly outward and slide the bolt forward closing it on the round in the chamber. It also has the benefit of being quieter. Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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This sort of story does not necessarily give a true picture of the case for 4 down as the fourth and fatal shot was delivered by another shooter with another rifle. It cannot be extrapolated that the first shooter would have been anymore effective delivering a fourth shot, had he had one available, than he was delivering anyone of the 3 he did deliver. In my experience it most often needs someone else to deliver a downing shot after the original shooter has blasted off all the available cartridges from his rifle. I have always maintained that the every shot made after the first has to be as carefully aimed and placed as if it was the first and not just be a case of the more lead in the air the better | |||
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Like an old Finnlander up north told me, "one shot, deer, two shots, maybe, three shots no deer" Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Cusom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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IT WAS A F.....ANECDOTE! BTW.... What's a New Zeland Grizzly look like? | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre: If you can achieve you 3 down with compression room, it's easy to learn to single load a mauser and you will have 4 in your gun Lay the action in the palm of your weak weak hand open the bolt, drop a round in the chamber reach your weak hand fingers up and depress the middle of the extractor arm inward flexing the extractor claw slightly outward and slide the bolt forward closing it on the round in the chamber. It also has the benefit of being quieter.[/QUOTE Mike: there's a simple modification that can be done to the extractor face if it doesn't single load in the first place.. No metal is removed from the inside the extractor hook. Just a little change of angle near the top. | |||
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Shoot another time? I like having 30 down: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6521043/m/3131076242 That was a nice upgrade from 6 down in the hornet. | |||
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Of course it was an anecdote but doesn't change the false premis that more shots in the magazine are going to save the day. FWIW I know what buffalo look like at very close range and I didn't feel under-gunned with 1 up and 3 down in my Mauser, I only ever needed the 1 up for single animals and only used the 3 down when shooting more from a mob for meat. | |||
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The old saying is you put the cart before the horse. I just finished up a trigger guard project, very long story. Bottom line is he wanted 5 rounds in it, OK, 4 rounds easy peice of cake, BUT the 5th round took a LOT OF WORK So a very deep odd pocket Rigby/Coffin type floor plate later it works, with about .020" to spare so you can depress the top cartidge and slide the bolt closed. BUT, the recess in the rear of the floor plate is .280" deep tapering up to .140" deep at the front JUST to clear the bottom of the follower and part of the rear of the bottom cartidge. Then the extra .100' deep slot for the magazine spring to lay into. I never had to make a floor plate like that and I hope it will be the last. Some of those factory trigger guards simply were never designed properly for some calibers and it can be like stuffing two bowling balls into one bag that is not large enough. JW | |||
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