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Originally posted by Greyghost:
So who are AR's great gun smiths today, those still running a working business, with a following and good rep. And those willing to take on a custom wildcat project, without pay?

Phil

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Originally posted by Toomany Tools:
You must have worked with gunsmiths I don’t know. I, for example, never asked for a penny up front. I’ve had thousands of dollars of my money in projects, and refused any payment until customer was satisfied. I’ve always shipped said projects to customers all over the country, insisting they were satisfied before sending me any money. So who carries the risk? It certainly wasn’t the customers.

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And those willing to take on a custom wildcat project, without pay?

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Originally posted by Greyghost:
Point was that too many of you all want to be paid in advance,
Phil

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And those willing to take on a custom wildcat project, without pay?

I did not read that as "without a deposit."

Mike



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.

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Originally posted by marley7x57:
Perhaps "without pay" is the new California way. Can't blame a guy for trying.

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Originally posted by marley7x57:
Perhaps "without pay" is the new California way. Can't blame a guy for trying.

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Originally posted by Greyghost:
"Bunch of Insults"

and,

Not one asked what the project might be.

No one said or suggested work for free... was just your all's assumption.


Point was that too many of you all want to be paid in advance, with customer taking all the risk up front on someone's reputation alone, and quite often get taken to the cleaners.


Post to me at least verified the opinion.


Phil

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Originally posted by Greyghost:
Maybe a little of both, last 3 builds have been totally screwed up, with me supplying all parts and large deposits.

Last one cost me $2k in lost deposit and took me nearly 2 years to get all my tooling back, and that was only because I ran across one of their employees online by accident.

Project left me with a big distrust.

What type of work do I do... someone asked. 45 years of moving heavy machinery (factory's) Millwright, Teamsters, and Operating engineers. I've tore apart, moved, and reassembled machines bigger than most houses, Moved nearly every aircraft plant and steel mill we use to have in California, not to mention work on all the military installations. I've done more machining, welding, and installations than I care to think about.

as to other questions about pay up front... practically never! and anyone that would pay a carpenter in advance is short on thinking.

Long retired now, and don't have access to things I'd like to have or I'd do everything myself.

Age and circumstances don't always allow what you'd like.

Phil

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Originally posted by Greyghost:
Comedy I'll leave that up to you and your antics.

I try to be serious when spending my hard earned cash. And putting it into the hands of a supposedly gun smith that can't put out work any better than a junior high shop student, isn't one of them!

Phil