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Planning a mountain ibex hunt and am debating whether to attach a bi-pod onto the rifle
(300 WSM) or whether to plan to use back pack / folded jackets as a dead rest.

I guess the extra weight is not a big issue on the side of the bi-pod. I am just thinking of the practicality of that flat surface for a bi-pod vs bedding the rifle into a rucksack and jacket.

In short I dont know and would welcome advice and thoughts !

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Very much depends on your rifle. Heavy recoiling Rifles tend shoot better with a firmly held forend off a bag. A heavy barreled Low recoil off a bipod. A pack is often more flexible. And bipods are uncomfortable on your shoulder.
 
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Tikka .300 WSM with a Varmint barrel. No great recoil and comfortable to shoot.

My thinking is to get max stability esp if we are looking at 300 yard plus shots.

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I am in the rucksack camp and my outer most jacket is usually one size too big and more of a medium weight as a cover for the real warmth layer.

I strip off the outer jacket and use it as a rear bag for prone.


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I like to use bipods for longer shots (>200 yds).

They do add some weight and can be slightly uncomfortable when carrying the rifle on sling, but I have made more one shot bang-flops at >200yds using the bipods (prone or sitting) than with other types of impromptu rests.

I always shoot my rifles off the bench with the bipods so I know exactly how they impact the zero.

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Very much depends on your rifle. Heavy recoiling Rifles tend shoot better with a firmly held forend off a bag. A heavy barreled Low recoil off a bipod. A pack is often more flexible. And bipods are uncomfortable on your shoulder.


Not sure I agree with that; a bipod is dead steady and you can grip as hard as you want.

As I have said before, if I think long range shooting is possibility, I actually carry both a sitting and a prone bipod in my day pack; I don't need it out to at least 300 - learn how to use a shooting sling and you should be able to smack anything out to 300. Past that, you normally have plenty of time to attach a bipod. If weight is an issue, I just take my sitting model and use my shooting sling to form a bench rest steady shooting position. I mean, how often can you shoot prone?

Lately, I just strap a Bog Pod 2 stick to my day pack and forget the detachable bipods - unless I am hunting where I think I will shoot beyond 400 yards.

One more thing: I don't see a point of impact difference with my bipods, but then again, I zero and test loads with them.


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I am in the bi-pod camp.
 
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bag.
or like we did in the old days...
put your hat on the rock.
 
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Possibly there are plusses both ways.
I do a reasonable amount of hilly country hunting on foot. I tend to carry a backpack and use this as my rifle rest for most longer shots in the prone position. Most times it's ideal but occasionally it's difficult to get the rifle high enough, and my body low enough, for some steeper uphill shots. Guys I have seen with Bipods seem to handle this a bit better, even with sometimes needing something under the Bipod for just a little more elevation.
I can't see myself changing from backpack use ( too long in the tooth ! ) and have carried Bipod equipped rifles which I found awkward but if I were going the Bipod route would probably look at a lightweight carbon fibre type for weight saving. I believe some of these are quick detachable also and mate to the rifle via a magnetised socket and are quick to attach / detach. Detached they can be carried in a pocket or backpack for use when opportunity allows. I don't know if these might change shot POI as permanently attached Bipods are reputed to do but is something to keep in mind.


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I used one of these last year.
HBRS Harris Bipod Extends from 6" to 9" (Swivels)


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Most of my rifles have bipods of some brand...they are easy to use and work well when there is a flat surface but can be a PITA when you have to futz around with adjusting leg length. Mostly I just hold the legs and use a tree limb or rock, whatever to steady against.

ANY kind of softening material works great to nestle the forend in so I LEAVE the pod on and just use it on a jacket, hat, scarf etc...best of BOTH worlds...besides the pod protects the forend a bit and the two legs act as leveler's.ds(I fold the legs BACK towards the trigger)

I shoot a lot just by setting the folded legs on whatever level OR un-flat spot to steady...don't have any problems nailing sage-rats well beyond 400 yds...if I can see'um, I can eat'um(NOT sagerats but...you know).

At one time I rolled up a bit of 1/2" foam rubber about 4" dia and attached a clip so I could hang it on a belt loop etc...worked great...I still use it on my shooting bench for shooting springer pellet guns...they don't jump or throw shots like setting on a harder surface, ANY shooting support like lead-sleds, etc. even with a foam pad on the forend support.

Probably better to just learn how to shoot in odd positions like a Marine sniper and grow a tail if you are going mountain climbing.

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Speaking of bipods -- watched some WWII film where they show many quick views of things . One was interesting as it showed one of the military rifles with bipod and stretched between the ends of the bipod legs was what looked like part of a snow shoe with typical mesh .Couldn't tell what gun it was .Anyone seen one ? Confused
 
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I am in the ruck sack crowd, for reasons of adaptability to the conditions of the shot. I've shot off fence posts, rocks, and areas in which a bipod would not have been advantageous.



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Most of my rifles have bipods of some brand...they are easy to use and work well when there is a flat surface but can be a PITA when you have to futz around with adjusting leg length. Mostly I just hold the legs and use a tree limb or rock, whatever to steady against.

ANY kind of softening material works great to nestle the forend in so I LEAVE the pod on and just use it on a jacket, hat, scarf etc...best of BOTH worlds...besides the pod protects the forend a bit and the two legs act as leveler's.ds(I fold the legs BACK towards the trigger)

I shoot a lot just by setting the folded legs on whatever level OR un-flat spot to steady...don't have any problems nailing sage-rats well beyond 400 yds...if I can see'um, I can eat'um(NOT sagerats but...you know).

At one time I rolled up a bit of 1/2" foam rubber about 4" dia and attached a clip so I could hang it on a belt loop etc...worked great...I still use it on my shooting bench for shooting springer pellet guns...they don't jump or throw shots like setting on a harder surface, ANY shooting support like lead-sleds, etc. even with a foam pad on the forend support.

Probably better to just learn how to shoot in odd positions like a Marine sniper and grow a tail if you are going mountain climbing.

Good Hunting tu2 beer


Funny, I attach mine backwards as well; it is a lot easier to extend the legs that way. On the sitting model I know exactly how much to extend it. Since I don't attach until ready to shoot or on a final stalk, mounting backwards presents no issues carrying.


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Which way the legs point kinda depends on the weapon...some of my XP, AR10/15 and other short rifle/long pistols have the legs pointing forward... whatever works best/feels right. Cool

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