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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Must be nice to have someone around to tell you such things.

I'd put your snark in check P Dog.

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Originally posted by 458Win:


No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I can't think of a better way to add tension to a hunt than argueing with your guide, who you trusted enough to pay your hard earned money to have a successful hunt and then arguing over a chambered or unchambered round..This is where common since comes in handy...but probably a good idea to settle that before you book along with any other little imagined problems you might have...As a hunter you SHOULD know when to chamber a round and when not to an when to ask, if its confusing!!

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Originally posted by 458Win:
The worst guide I ever had was a plumber with no knowledge of the local area who was dropped off at our Williams, AZ hotel to "guide" a friend and me on a elk hunt booked through Blair.

But other than that single experience I have had the pleasure of hunting with, and learning from a lot of exceptional guides all around the globe. And unless the situation at the time dictated it, chambers were always empty.

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Originally posted by Cold Zero:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Must be nice to have someone around to tell you such things.

I'd put your snark in check P Dog.

Todd, how come you gave Phil a pass for the first "SNARKY" comment in this thread on page 1, but jump on PDS on page 2 ? Let's keep it real please.

With Phil's depth of experience and intellect such an insult is beneath him. He should have intelligently discussed the topic at hand or took a pass and bowed out of the discussion. On other forums that are moderated a comment like that could result in a suspension/time out or even a ban.

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Originally posted by 458Win:


No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot

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Originally posted by 458Win:

Great bits of wisdom from a Texan who admits getting his expertise on Alaska from reality TV shows

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Originally posted by chuck375:
A lot of you think the folks on this forum are either guides or clients who only hunt with guides. Some of us have been hunting for decades, 50 plus days per year, either with family, friends or alone. Too many of you are "know it alls" with thinly veiled disgust for the rest of us.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Chuck, I'm not a hunting guide nor do I feel any of the disgust you mention. I am bothered tho, when folks look for information about unusual places like Alaska or Africa and then either let their preconceived notions rule the day or experienced and educated advise is drowned out by ignorant blatherers.

I've been here a couple decades and have successfully completed some high quality hunts for big bears, really big moose, sheep caribou and other. I can put up a really comfortable camp and know about some of the proper equipment to use around here.
My knowledge pales in comparison to Shoemaker and several other AR members. I generally have the good sense to not argue and dismiss the words of folks more experienced than myself on the topics being discussed.

In the same vein, I don't have a whole lot of interest or patience for those expressing strongly held opinions on topics they have days, weeks or months experience in. "I lived in Alaska for a couple years!" means shit. Fine, you did it, neato, I bet you even put an Alaska license plate on your car. Thanks for showing up. I don't have a problem with any of them, in fact I really like them all til they wanna pull up a stool and correct me or someone more experienced.

I don't think of AR and its Alaska forum as anything more than a venue to exchange and gather information. I am happy to be considered here ugly, a poor shot, in bad shape, unshaven, nearsighted, and of poor fashion. Internet accolades I do not seek. However, as a resident and fishing guide in Alaska I do value the dissemination of accurate, truthful, helpful information about this place. It makes all our lives up here better and easier if the wonderful folks coming to visit arrive mentally and physically prepared for a trip not quite like what they have at home.

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Originally posted by Cold Zero:

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Originally posted by 458Win:
The worst guide I ever had was a plumber with no knowledge of the local area who was dropped off at our Williams, AZ hotel to "guide" a friend and me on a elk hunt booked through Blair.

But other than that single experience I have had the pleasure of hunting with, and learning from a lot of exceptional guides all around the globe. And unless the situation at the time dictated it, chambers were always empty.

OK, if we are talking bad hunting experiences I certainly can contribute here.

My friend and I booked a Kodiak Deer hunt with Leon Francisco Spiridon Bear Camp. I can't imagine Phil does not know him. Anyway, after a previous Kodiak deer hunt that did not work out so well. My Friend and I did more research and came to the conclusion that Leon was a Marquis name outfitter with 35-40 years of experience and had put as many or more Kodiak Black Tails in the B&C book at that time than any other Outfitter, per our research. So, I contacted him and told him I will book 2 hunters for him if he agrees to guide me personally, which he did.

We arrive in camp only to find out that Leon had a massive stroke and was unable to Guide me and would be closing down operations after our hunt was completed. Now, even though I spoke to him shortly before coming up and several times in the year after the hunt was booked, but prior to our arrival he never mentioned any health issues or that he was going out of business. He gave me a Moose guide from up North, who told me he was booked on short notice and had never been to Kodiak Island, never guided for Deer before and oh yeah did I mention he only had one eye ? Needless to say I/we did not get a deer. So much for integrity, over taking unsuspecting peoples money.

Then there was the time in Canada where my Guide decided that while we were glassing from a logging road that this was the most opportune time to change the oil on his pick up truck and let the oil drain right into the ground. No, I didn't get a Moose on that trip with him, shocking.

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Originally posted by surefire7:
I'm curious how you fellas feel about double rifles.

A double is either loaded with two in the chamber, safety on, or it is completely unloaded. This is the Alaskan hunting forum, so I suppose this applies mostly to African hunting, but I have read once in a great while a person taking a double to Alaska. Anyway, be it Alaska or Africa, I believe it applies to this discussion of rifle carry condition while hunting.

My observation of PHs I've hunted with in Africa, and ones I've observed on TV shows, have loaded their doubles when they got off the truck before beginning the general hunt. I am now hunting with someone who has a loaded chamber, safety on. When I hunt, I do the same, and demand to be allowed to do so. Is there a 'double standard'(pun intended) with doubles here? They do not know my gun handling safety and are right to be concerned if this is my first hunt with them. However, I do not know their handling safety either, so I can be just as concerned. I have watched PHs carry their loaded doubles with the rifle over their shoulders in the 'African carry' style, barrels pointed right at the tracker(s) in front of them. If the PH expects me to allow his chamber to be loaded, I expect the same consideration. He has his safety concerns and I have my own.

As I stated in my previous post, I am not upset if a guide/PH demands I hunt with an empty chamber. It is his right, and I respect his rules. I too have my rules and concerns when hunting dangerous game. Either we agree or we don't. No hard feelings on my part. I just book with a different company that shares my rules. Simple solution for everyone.

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Originally posted by tsturm:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Chuck, I'm not a hunting guide nor do I feel any of the disgust you mention. I am bothered tho, when folks look for information about unusual places like Alaska or Africa and then either let their preconceived notions rule the day or experienced and educated advise is drowned out by ignorant blatherers.

I've been here a couple decades and have successfully completed some high quality hunts for big bears, really big moose, sheep caribou and other. I can put up a really comfortable camp and know about some of the proper equipment to use around here.
My knowledge pales in comparison to Shoemaker and several other AR members. I generally have the good sense to not argue and dismiss the words of folks more experienced than myself on the topics being discussed.

In the same vein, I don't have a whole lot of interest or patience for those expressing strongly held opinions on topics they have days, weeks or months experience in. "I lived in Alaska for a couple years!" means shit. Fine, you did it, neato, I bet you even put an Alaska license plate on your car. Thanks for showing up. I don't have a problem with any of them, in fact I really like them all til they wanna pull up a stool and correct me or someone more experienced.

I don't think of AR and its Alaska forum as anything more than a venue to exchange and gather information. I am happy to be considered here ugly, a poor shot, in bad shape, unshaven, nearsighted, and of poor fashion. Internet accolades I do not seek. However, as a resident and fishing guide in Alaska I do value the dissemination of accurate, truthful, helpful information about this place. It makes all our lives up here better and easier if the wonderful folks coming to visit arrive mentally and physically prepared for a trip not quite like what they have at home.

Howlllly shit, at least yer not a Kenai River Guide we'd have to get another sub forum just to contain yer knowledge.

Have a good one!!!

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Originally posted by Scott King:
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Howlllly shit, at least yer not a Kenai River Guide we'd have to get another sub forum just to contain yer knowledge.

Have a good one!!!