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Originally posted by montea6b:
Back to the title topic, I know this may be heresy for the Mauser purists, (and I consider myself one) but has anybody considered manufacturing Enfield/Winchester style bottom metal? (i.e. two piece with a separate magazine)

Machined one piece units may have made sense back in the day with really only one basic case dimension to worry about, but machining the mag box seems to have a ton of inefficiency and waste built into the design.

I'm not a manufacturing engineer, but given the small market for custom rifles would it make sense to machine just a few universal floorplate trigger guard assemblies based on action screw spacing, with sheet stock magazine boxes ordered separately?

Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):

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Originally posted by montea6b:
Back to the title topic, I know this may be heresy for the Mauser purists, (and I consider myself one) but has anybody considered manufacturing Enfield/Winchester style bottom metal? (i.e. two piece with a separate magazine)

Machined one piece units may have made sense back in the day with really only one basic case dimension to worry about, but machining the mag box seems to have a ton of inefficiency and waste built into the design.

I'm not a manufacturing engineer, but given the small market for custom rifles would it make sense to machine just a few universal floorplate trigger guard assemblies based on action screw spacing, with sheet stock magazine boxes ordered separately?

Thoughts?

I ran that past a fair number of people. My goal was to continue overseas business, since some political entities will allow bottom metal to be imported as long as the magazine is not integral.

Maybe I didn't explain it well enough but to my dismay there was no support for the idea.

You're right...could simplify the process...A LOT!

Aut vincere aut mori

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Originally posted by z1r:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):

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Originally posted by montea6b:
Back to the title topic, I know this may be heresy for the Mauser purists, (and I consider myself one) but has anybody considered manufacturing Enfield/Winchester style bottom metal? (i.e. two piece with a separate magazine)

Machined one piece units may have made sense back in the day with really only one basic case dimension to worry about, but machining the mag box seems to have a ton of inefficiency and waste built into the design.

I'm not a manufacturing engineer, but given the small market for custom rifles would it make sense to machine just a few universal floorplate trigger guard assemblies based on action screw spacing, with sheet stock magazine boxes ordered separately?

Thoughts?

I ran that past a fair number of people. My goal was to continue overseas business, since some political entities will allow bottom metal to be imported as long as the magazine is not integral.

Maybe I didn't explain it well enough but to my dismay there was no support for the idea.

You're right...could simplify the process...A LOT!

A buddy of mine and I discussed this many moons ago when I was still in CA. He convinced me it was a great idea. Machine the basic bottom metal and floorplate and then provide various stamped magazine boxes of correction dimensions that just drop in or can be affixed. The Brno 21 series used a similar process. I think this would have been a hit 20 years ago when customizing Muasers was more popular. these dyas with preferences shifting to modular guns and supplies of "good" mausers drying up, I wonder if there is enough demand?

Aut vincere aut mori

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
What you say has merit . On the other hand, there still exists a robust demand from perhaps a smaller part of the populaton that still wants and will pay for fine guns.

Same goes for wind up watches and bamboo fishing rods and flintlocks. And...as far as Mauser's drying up...much of that credit goes to the flock of wise men and women in DC

Aut vincere aut mori

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Originally posted by Timan:
Over the years I've produced bottom metal for my own actions, military surplus and commercial Mausers.
Always just made my own as needed for the builds I have going here.
I've kept the fixtures super simple and the cnc programming and methods congruent across all designs so tools, and work piece coordinates interchange size to size, going from 30-06 to 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffrey amounts to selecting a program and running it. I can literally jump from running a Satterlee Arms 404 Jeffrey drop box to a 375 H&H standard box for an 09 Argentine, then to a 7x57 box for a Mexican Mauser without changing a single tool or offset. So far it's worked great for my needs.