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i cant belive im gonna say this but... I agree fully with Daman. the MP44/ aka Sturmgewehr would be my choice as the first true assault rifle. high cap, SA/FA selectror, carbine length, intermediate round, threaded BBL, ect. now i gotta go brush my teeth. | |||
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I overlooked your post, indeed the M60 is derived from the FG42, it would have been better to simply copy the MG42, it would have worked better. There was a copy done in 30/06 in 1944 IIRC. Some eye candy. | |||
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Looks like I forgot to answer with pictures..    | |||
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R stands for Ribeyrolles as in CSRG 1915 for Chauchat Sutter Ribeyrolles Gladiator or RSC 1917/ RSC 1918 for Ribeyrolles Sutter Chauchat. THe Ribeyrolles 1918 was was Ribeyrolles brain child only.  | |||
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But that's the historical truth, my friend The M60 is a captured prototype using the MG42 belt to feed a modified FG 42 "G" ausfuhrung, "G" version.   | |||
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There are some that would say that the US M2 30 cal. Carbine is the first "Assault Rifle". However I would disatree as the 30 cal carbine round was little more powerful that some handgun cartridges. My vote would have to go with the German Stg44. It was a cut down rifle cartridge, truly in power and performance between a handgun round and the rifle rounds of the day. I will also say that after WWII, the Russians were the first, by many years, to grasp the performance qualities of an "Assault Rifle". Even today, I still think that the 7.62x39 is the best "Assault Rifle" cartridge. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Oh, and before I get Tarred and Feathered for my comment on the 7.62x39, let me add that the 5.56/223, and the 7.62x51/308 are 2 of my most favorite cartridges. I do not even now own a 7.62x39... But I have in the past, and I have shot one quite a bit. Both in the SKS and in an AK47. It is a very very good Assault Rifle cartridge. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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it is. and the 5.45x39 is really even more pleasant to shot.  | |||
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The 30carbine round is hampered by the Ball projectile used., but it is considerably more powerful than a 357 magnum, so it fits in the power class, but fails on timing because while the M1 Carbine was early enough the STG44 beat the M2 version in timing... a 110gr soft-point round makes it considerably more useful, every bit comparable to a 357 Magnum. Golf ball sized exit holes in fox or coyote sized animals As for the BAR as an "Assault rifle"?, it fails to fit in a catagory for three reasons, 1) a full powered rifle cartridge 2)it is not "select fire" it has two firing modes, "Slow and "Fast" 3)it fires from an open bolt The BAR is more of a Squad Automatic Weapon or SAW Oh, and for the record. the Mg42 borrows quite a bit of it's design from the WW1 Lewis gun AD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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World's first assault rifle - the Henry lever action in .44 Henry rimfire. sputster | |||
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I think most historians would go with this one, if you're willing to concede the 6.5 Jap cartridge is an intermediate caliber. Going outside the box, Federov obviously decided it mas more viable than the 7.62x 54. Grizz Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal. John E Pfeiffer, The Emergence of Man Those who can't skin, can hold a leg. Abraham Lincoln Only one war at a time. Abe Again. | |||
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How many made, when and used really ? Nuff said! | |||
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This is a very debatable topic. Fedorov has developed a proprietary rifle cartridge, with capacity for 20% less than the cartridge for Mosin. It was intended for semi-automatic rifles, and machine guns. But at the beginning of the World war, he changed the construction of the rifle, getting the avtomat, and used for it Japanese ammunition Arisaka 6.5x50(51). Their power is even less, it is equal to the power of Kalashnikov rounds. At that time in Russia there were large stocks of these Japanese cartridges. The avtomat Fedorov itself in a small number survived until the Second World war, but our military chiefs in 1930 decided that automatic weapons should be only with a fixed barrel. The avtomat Fedorov has movable barrel. Here there a lot of pics about rifle and avtomat Fedorov http://rusforce.org/showthread.php?t=18974 | |||
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Nah! We Brits got their first! Or, some say, the Mexicans with the Mondragon. Except our Brit rifle had a twenty round magazine option...so we got their first? The Farquhar Hill rifle....Google it.... Or check out the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXpgJ4JydN4 | |||
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