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I know that the Finnish 9,3x54r is actually the same round but what I am wondering is since the Mosins are very strong actions what type of velocities could be achieved with a 286 grain bullet in a 9,3x54r loaded to say 62,000 psi and a COAL of say 3.0 inches. Anybody done this? Is this something quick load or other programs are capable of calculating? Case capacity would be 63.5 grains of water top of the case mouth. Mike  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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DPCD is the man to ask, he has done a lot of playing with them. | |||
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Have talked to DPCD already, but don't want to bother him with velocity calculation questions. Am really most interested in what calcs something like quick load can produced. Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Got one on the bench right now; a Remington 91 with an Oberndorf contour 25 inch barrel, Oberndorf bolt handle, NECG barrel sights. 9.3x54R. I got it to feed like snot on a doorknob by milling out the receiver and mag box. Just do a quick load thing and you will get the data you want. I don't have it.... And realize that the magazine is very long so you can seat bullets way out; not at the crimp groove. I can give you the OAL but not at this moment. | |||
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It is not a wild cat; it is, or was, standard in Finland for moose and CH4D makes dies. I make the expander plugs to form brass. Yes in this country it is a wildcat. | |||
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Did a little more research. The 9,3x53r pushes a 256 gr @ 2210 but only at 49,300 psi Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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so does the 358 win. | |||
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I would not try to push any cartridge based on the 7.62x54R to 62,000 psi. The rifle may be able to take it but the CIP max avg pressure for the cartridge is 56,565 psi. Expanding and reloading the case will work the brass, thin it, and weaken it, though just how much is a matter of conjecture. I have been loading the .405 Grenadier wildcat to around an estimated 35,000 psi in the Marlin lever rifle and 45,000 psi in the Mosin Nagant. I do so in the Marlin to be kind to the rifle and in the Mosin Nagant to be kind to the cartridge case. I am confident it can go more but I'm also confident you'd be blowing primers long before getting to 60,000 psi. . | |||
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Good points Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Cartridge : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet : .366, 232, Norma Oryx 69307
Useable Case Capaci: 59.632 grain H2O = 3.872 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
45 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 114,3 65,9 4,27 2827 99,5 62000 8010 1,080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 113,6 65,5 4,24 2815 98,9 62000 7898 1,083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 113,6 65,5 4,24 2815 98,9 62000 7898 1,083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52 110,2 62,6 4,05 2766 98,8 62000 7376 1,096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11 111,3 63,2 4,09 2763 98,5 62000 7406 1,096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 101,9 62,4 4,04 2763 98,9 62000 7345 1,096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 115,0 67,3 4,36 2762 95,1 62000 7720 1,094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 112,6 65,5 4,24 2758 94,2 62000 7642 1,096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 112,6 65,5 4,24 2758 94,2 62000 7642 1,096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 115,0 64,6 4,19 2756 97,0 60367 7659 1,110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 107,8 63,1 4,09 2755 98,4 62000 7313 1,097 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 107,4 59,1 3,83 2754 98,8 62000 7350 1,108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 102,4 61,4 3,98 2748 99,4 62000 7228 1,108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 108,8 55,9 3,62 2748 100,0 62000 6602 1,103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 99,9 59,1 3,83 2747 99,8 62000 6981 1,101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 110,7 61,5 3,99 2745 99,3 62000 7206 1,114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 110,7 61,5 3,99 2745 99,3 62000 7206 1,114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 108,8 59,8 3,87 2742 98,7 62000 7254 1,110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 108,2 59,5 3,85 2739 98,3 62000 7266 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 108,2 59,5 3,85 2739 98,3 62000 7266 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 108,2 59,5 3,85 2739 98,3 62000 7266 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 115,0 66,2 4,29 2736 96,9 57349 7632 1,126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 111,3 59,8 3,88 2736 100,0 62000 6794 1,133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 113,1 61,5 3,99 2735 99,1 62000 7119 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 115,0 67,3 4,36 2730 95,0 58847 7888 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 104,2 57,3 3,71 2726 99,1 62000 7093 1,114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 102,8 59,6 3,86 2726 100,0 62000 6785 1,119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 105,2 59,6 3,86 2726 100,0 62000 6785 1,119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 112,8 60,6 3,93 2725 99,0 62000 7107 1,116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 102,4 60,1 3,90 2723 98,6 62000 7116 1,109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 104,9 56,4 3,65 2720 100,0 62000 6499 1,139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 104,5 57,4 3,72 2719 98,7 62000 7093 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 109,2 61,3 3,97 2716 96,9 62000 7233 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 109,8 59,4 3,85 2713 98,4 62000 6977 1,101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105,1 59,6 3,87 2712 98,6 62000 7035 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507 101,4 58,1 3,77 2710 99,5 62000 6899 1,113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321 99,4 58,8 3,81 2709 99,6 62000 6930 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp 103,5 55,1 3,57 2706 100,0 62000 6082 1,108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 102,9 55,1 3,57 2706 100,0 62000 6082 1,108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 105,0 61,5 3,98 2705 96,8 62000 7128 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50 107,2 61,3 3,97 2704 97,0 62000 7075 1,114 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 107,5 59,7 3,87 2703 100,0 62000 6743 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 109,2 58,4 3,78 2703 99,5 62000 6841 1,122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 94,8 56,9 3,69 2702 100,0 62000 6613 1,113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 105,2 56,9 3,69 2700 100,0 62000 6599 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 108,6 61,6 3,99 2698 97,0 62000 7033 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10 94,5 55,5 3,60 2697 100,0 62000 6575 1,117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 100,3 55,4 3,59 2697 99,5 62000 6794 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 94,4 55,6 3,60 2696 100,0 62000 6566 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341 103,2 61,0 3,95 2694 98,5 62000 6830 1,112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 94,5 53,6 3,48 2692 100,0 62000 6376 1,112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 100,5 53,6 3,48 2692 100,0 62000 6376 1,112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 110,2 58,6 3,80 2689 98,0 62000 6935 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 109,8 58,6 3,80 2689 98,0 62000 6935 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 105,6 56,8 3,68 2689 99,5 62000 6792 1,129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 102,5 56,3 3,65 2688 99,4 62000 6719 1,116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 91,8 51,8 3,36 2687 100,0 62000 6140 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 111,1 57,7 3,74 2683 98,2 62000 6808 1,115 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 102,8 60,6 3,93 2683 96,7 62000 6935 1,123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 97,9 57,9 3,75 2681 99,8 62000 6585 1,132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 98,2 57,9 3,75 2681 99,8 62000 6585 1,132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 40 96,6 54,1 3,51 2681 100,0 62000 6421 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N135 115,0 57,3 3,71 2680 100,0 61817 6155 1,121 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902 107,6 57,0 3,69 2679 99,4 62000 6698 1,131 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 101,5 60,2 3,90 2677 96,2 62000 6985 1,120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N140 107,4 57,9 3,75 2674 100,0 62000 6325 1,118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901 103,5 54,1 3,50 2672 100,0 62000 6465 1,141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 115,0 63,2 4,10 2671 96,0 53645 7401 1,166 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 115,0 62,5 4,05 2667 95,9 54330 7377 1,157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 112,3 61,3 3,97 2667 95,7 62000 6856 1,111 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.4 96,4 56,8 3,68 2666 99,8 62000 6468 1,130 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2230 97,2 57,9 3,75 2666 99,1 62000 6588 1,128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 115,0 62,5 4,05 2666 95,9 54278 7373 1,158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator 99,1 58,2 3,77 2666 98,4 62000 6719 1,123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 109,7 60,9 3,94 2666 94,3 62000 6912 1,107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 115,0 61,8 4,01 2665 95,6 60506 7013 1,134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-12 100,1 56,1 3,64 2661 100,0 62000 6223 1,119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907 113,6 61,3 3,97 2659 93,3 62000 6973 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 113,6 61,3 3,97 2659 93,3 62000 6973 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 115,0 65,3 4,23 2659 90,1 59355 7239 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 115,0 65,3 4,23 2659 93,4 54745 7470 1,155 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 110,0 61,3 3,97 2658 93,3 62000 6967 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 94,8 53,3 3,45 2656 100,0 62000 5828 1,134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 103,4 56,4 3,65 2654 98,9 62000 6549 1,120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2210 95,1 54,0 3,50 2653 99,7 62000 6426 1,124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-10x 97,9 50,8 3,29 2650 100,0 62000 5973 1,132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI BM2 93,0 54,5 3,53 2645 99,7 62000 6371 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark 101,1 54,7 3,55 2645 99,7 62000 6384 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S060 103,9 55,6 3,60 2641 98,6 62000 6499 1,124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2015 100,7 52,9 3,43 2640 100,0 62000 5913 1,137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2200 92,3 51,5 3,34 2639 100,0 62000 6216 1,124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 115,0 62,5 4,05 2638 93,5 57272 7095 1,157 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206 103,1 56,1 3,63 2632 98,9 62000 6414 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S335 104,7 56,3 3,65 2629 100,0 62000 6056 1,135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 200 93,9 50,5 3,27 2628 100,0 62000 5808 1,148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 115,0 64,2 4,16 2622 92,1 55544 7091 1,158 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150 115,0 59,6 3,86 2615 99,2 55995 6599 1,162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 115,0 62,9 4,07 2615 98,0 48206 7359 1,208 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 115,0 62,9 4,07 2613 92,0 56811 6904 1,151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N133 106,7 53,7 3,48 2612 100,0 62000 5716 1,127 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 93,1 49,6 3,21 2606 100,0 62000 5839 1,123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4198 97,1 47,9 3,10 2602 100,0 62000 5523 1,122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2700 109,5 62,8 4,07 2600 92,7 62000 6488 1,135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N130 100,5 51,7 3,35 2598 100,0 62000 5636 1,136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198 93,7 48,3 3,13 2594 100,0 62000 5706 1,125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-7 91,7 48,8 3,16 2593 100,0 62000 5583 1,141 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2207 92,3 47,5 3,07 2592 100,0 62000 5485 1,139 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Kazan Sunar 308W 95,8 51,5 3,34 2591 100,0 62000 5618 1,138 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 115,0 61,2 3,96 2567 96,8 49874 6801 1,202 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350 115,0 61,8 4,01 2560 90,9 53214 6770 1,184 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 115,0 63,2 4,10 2560 88,1 52415 6972 1,186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 115,0 63,2 4,10 2560 88,1 52415 6972 1,186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4227 87,9 44,2 2,87 2542 100,0 62000 5152 1,137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N120 94,9 47,6 3,09 2541 100,0 62000 5099 1,147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N125 89,7 45,8 2,97 2537 100,0 62000 5098 1,148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227 87,4 44,0 2,85 2533 100,0 62000 5127 1,136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 115,0 62,9 4,07 2530 87,0 50495 6968 1,205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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Cartridge : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet : .366, 285, Norma ORYX 69308
Useable Case Capaci: 53.782 grain H2O = 3.492 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
46 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 112,3 58,4 3,78 2516 100,0 62000 7090 1,197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 111,6 58,0 3,76 2504 99,8 62000 7037 1,201 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 111,6 58,0 3,76 2504 99,8 62000 7037 1,201 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 115,0 59,7 3,87 2486 99,0 61931 6933 1,210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 114,6 60,5 3,92 2478 97,7 62000 7248 1,206 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 113,5 57,5 3,73 2465 98,6 62000 6922 1,220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 113,0 59,7 3,87 2461 97,0 62000 7007 1,213 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 110,6 58,0 3,76 2454 96,2 62000 6930 1,216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 110,6 58,0 3,76 2454 96,2 62000 6930 1,216 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52 108,0 55,3 3,58 2450 99,7 62000 6561 1,220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11 109,2 55,9 3,62 2449 99,5 62000 6606 1,219 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 99,8 55,1 3,57 2447 99,7 62000 6530 1,220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 105,7 55,8 3,62 2442 99,5 62000 6519 1,220 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 105,2 52,1 3,38 2436 99,6 62000 6523 1,234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 100,3 54,3 3,52 2430 99,9 62000 6401 1,234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 115,0 57,0 3,69 2430 98,4 58695 6745 1,249 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 108,4 54,3 3,52 2428 99,9 62000 6380 1,240 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 108,4 54,3 3,52 2428 99,9 62000 6380 1,240 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 106,5 52,8 3,42 2426 99,6 62000 6444 1,236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 105,9 52,5 3,40 2424 99,3 62000 6468 1,236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 105,9 52,5 3,40 2424 99,3 62000 6468 1,236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 105,9 52,5 3,40 2424 99,3 62000 6468 1,236 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 97,7 52,1 3,38 2423 100,0 62000 6124 1,228 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 115,0 56,4 3,65 2421 98,3 58436 6746 1,245 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 115,0 56,4 3,65 2420 98,3 58379 6743 1,246 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 110,8 54,3 3,52 2419 99,8 62000 6306 1,242 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 115,0 58,9 3,82 2419 96,4 58591 6912 1,243 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 106,2 49,2 3,19 2414 100,0 62000 5768 1,233 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 110,5 53,6 3,47 2410 99,7 62000 6309 1,242 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 100,3 53,2 3,44 2410 99,5 62000 6335 1,234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 108,7 52,7 3,42 2410 100,0 62000 5942 1,261 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 102,0 50,6 3,28 2409 99,8 62000 6277 1,241 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 107,0 54,2 3,51 2408 98,3 62000 6493 1,241 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 102,3 50,7 3,29 2404 99,6 62000 6297 1,242 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 114,4 58,5 3,79 2404 93,3 62000 6717 1,225 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 102,9 52,6 3,41 2403 100,0 62000 5938 1,247 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 100,6 52,6 3,41 2403 100,0 62000 5938 1,247 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 107,7 52,5 3,40 2403 99,4 62000 6214 1,226 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 103,0 52,7 3,42 2400 99,5 62000 6262 1,237 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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Cartridge : 9.3 x 53 R Fin.
Bullet : .366, 285, Norma ORYX 69308
Useable Case Capaci: 53.782 grain H2O = 3.492 cm3
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.000 inch = 76.20 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 56000 psi, or 386 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 115 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
50 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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ReloadSwiss RS 60 109,3 56,8 3,68 2445 99,8 56000 7032 1,250 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 108,5 56,4 3,66 2433 99,4 56000 6948 1,253 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 108,5 56,4 3,66 2433 99,4 56000 6948 1,253 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 112,1 58,2 3,77 2417 98,3 56000 6833 1,262 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 111,7 59,0 3,82 2406 96,7 56000 7108 1,259 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 113,7 56,4 3,65 2399 98,1 56000 6700 1,274 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 110,4 55,9 3,62 2395 97,9 56000 6787 1,273 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 113,7 55,7 3,61 2392 97,9 56000 6692 1,268 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 113,7 55,8 3,61 2391 97,9 56000 6689 1,268 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 110,0 58,1 3,76 2389 96,0 56000 6853 1,266 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 113,6 58,2 3,77 2387 95,9 56000 6840 1,267 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 52 105,0 53,7 3,48 2382 99,2 56000 6461 1,272 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 107,5 56,4 3,65 2382 95,1 56000 6768 1,270 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 107,5 56,4 3,65 2382 95,1 56000 6768 1,270 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11 106,0 54,3 3,52 2380 99,0 56000 6492 1,271 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 115,0 56,7 3,67 2379 99,7 51910 6630 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon CFE223 96,9 53,5 3,47 2378 99,3 56000 6424 1,272 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Big Game 102,6 54,2 3,51 2373 98,9 56000 6408 1,273 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895 101,9 50,5 3,27 2366 99,2 56000 6400 1,288 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2 97,3 52,7 3,41 2363 99,7 56000 6307 1,286 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old 105,3 52,8 3,42 2362 99,6 56000 6297 1,294 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 105,3 52,8 3,42 2362 99,6 56000 6297 1,294 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748 94,7 50,5 3,27 2358 100,0 56000 6050 1,280 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B 103,2 51,2 3,32 2356 99,1 56000 6324 1,290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 107,7 52,8 3,42 2353 99,5 56000 6222 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15 102,6 50,9 3,30 2353 98,7 56000 6337 1,290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11 102,6 50,9 3,30 2353 98,7 56000 6337 1,290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 102,6 50,9 3,30 2353 98,7 56000 6337 1,290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031 102,8 47,7 3,09 2351 100,0 56000 5687 1,285 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 105,5 51,2 3,32 2347 100,0 56000 5880 1,316 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355 107,2 52,0 3,37 2343 99,3 56000 6204 1,296 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 113,1 56,9 3,69 2341 94,5 56000 6478 1,281 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Wild Boar 97,2 51,5 3,34 2340 99,0 56000 6209 1,288 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 99,9 51,0 3,31 2340 100,0 56000 5878 1,301 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 97,6 51,0 3,31 2340 100,0 56000 5878 1,301 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 104,0 52,7 3,41 2339 97,5 56000 6356 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895 98,7 48,9 3,17 2339 99,4 56000 6155 1,296 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320 104,4 50,9 3,30 2334 98,9 56000 6095 1,279 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2206H 99,0 49,1 3,18 2333 99,1 56000 6165 1,297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204 111,4 57,0 3,69 2332 91,9 56000 6539 1,278 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 115,0 57,0 3,69 2332 91,9 55974 6538 1,279 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 115,0 57,0 3,69 2332 91,9 55974 6538 1,279 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9 99,7 51,0 3,31 2330 99,0 56000 6135 1,291 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 115,0 55,2 3,57 2330 98,9 53541 6175 1,294 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070 112,0 54,9 3,56 2329 95,3 56000 6394 1,298 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516 99,9 52,8 3,42 2329 97,4 56000 6258 1,290 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 99,3 48,1 3,12 2328 100,0 56000 5607 1,326 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 50 102,0 52,6 3,41 2327 97,6 56000 6206 1,293 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S321 94,3 50,3 3,26 2326 99,8 56000 6022 1,300 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507 96,0 49,7 3,22 2325 99,7 56000 5987 1,294 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 103,3 52,9 3,43 2323 97,6 56000 6172 1,294 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540 102,0 51,1 3,31 2321 100,0 56000 5856 1,296 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S062 103,6 49,9 3,24 2320 99,7 56000 5940 1,304 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S341 98,0 52,3 3,39 2317 98,9 56000 5969 1,292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335 89,8 48,6 3,15 2315 100,0 56000 5711 1,296 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350 112,4 55,4 3,59 2315 94,1 56000 6262 1,286 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350 114,5 55,5 3,60 2315 94,0 56000 6267 1,286 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202 99,6 48,6 3,15 2314 100,0 56000 5700 1,301 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp 97,8 46,9 3,04 2313 100,0 56000 5238 1,292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 97,3 46,9 3,04 2313 100,0 56000 5238 1,292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150 112,6 52,7 3,41 2313 99,8 56000 5854 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N530 95,0 47,3 3,07 2313 99,7 56000 5888 1,298 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065 110,3 53,5 3,47 2312 96,6 56000 6210 1,303 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208 104,2 50,2 3,25 2311 98,5 56000 6057 1,292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET 104,6 50,2 3,25 2311 98,5 56000 6057 1,292 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10 89,3 47,3 3,06 2309 100,0 56000 5662 1,301 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 97,9 52,1 3,37 2309 97,4 56000 6087 1,304 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 115,0 56,7 3,67 2308 91,0 53836 6566 1,297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 89,2 47,4 3,07 2308 100,0 56000 5655 1,301 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201 100,0 48,5 3,14 2306 99,7 56000 5892 1,313 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208 XBR 97,0 48,1 3,12 2305 99,7 56000 5819 1,299 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064 105,4 49,4 3,20 2304 98,7 56000 5934 1,297 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2219 89,3 45,7 2,96 2303 100,0 56000 5486 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322 95,0 45,7 2,96 2303 100,0 56000 5486 1,295 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC 96,5 51,6 3,34 2303 96,8 56000 6124 1,300 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.5 93,1 49,5 3,21 2300 99,9 56000 5705 1,317 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2460 92,8 49,5 3,21 2300 99,9 56000 5705 1,317 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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Jiri Díky ti moc. Pokud je pro vás něco, co vám mohu udělat, dejte mi prosím vědět. S pozdravem, Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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SAKO produces 9.3x53R Finnish ammo. They offer one load, apparently not available in USA. They catalog a 256gr Gamehead bullet with BC of .244 and having muzzle velocity of 2247 fps from a 23.6” barrel. Muzzle energy is 2860 ft-lbs. For comparison, they list a 250gr load for the 9.3x62 at 2395 fps/3184 ft-lbs as well as a 286gr load at 2329 fps/3439 ft-lbs. Think of the 9.3x53R as similar to the .358 Winchester and the 9.3x62 as similar to the .35 Whelen. Surely, the 9.3x53R could be loaded a little hotter but, in the end, they are what they are. Just as a .358 Win is not a .35 Whelen so too a 9.3x53R is not a 9.3x62. Expecting otherwise is bound to disappoint. . | |||
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Some research showed the 9,3x53r is spec'd at 340mpa which = ~49,300 psi which is ~12% below the rating of the 7.62x54r so even not trying to turn a 9,3x54r into a 9,3x62; I suspect there is a reasonable chance that moderate range 9,3x62 performance is safely achievable. Interestingly enough, a look at Hodgdon data shows 8 of 11 loads for the 286 grain bullet in the x62 at or below 2325 fps. Looking at the data above it would appear there is a reasonable possibility of achieving low 2300s with an uncompressed load below 56k psi with CFE223, BLC2, or W748 in a 9,3x54r. All that being said I think the 350 grn 405 Grenadier is a more interesting proposition. Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I recommend we just chamber it for the 400 Jeffery (so you can use .410/411 bullets) , and call it good; yes I can make it feed. Then you have 90 grains of powder space to play with. | |||
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Just off topic question: Is it possible 460 or 500 S&W on Mosin action? | |||
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dpcd would be the guy that knows Mike What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Yes it could be made to fit, but here we are back to pressures again; running a Mosin at 60K psi is not what I like to do although they are certainly very strong. I would use a bigger case, more powder, lower pressures, and the same ballistics, like a 50-110, for example. And a 45-70 instead of a 460. | |||
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Several years ago I considered the 9.3x54R on the Mosin action, but "considered" is all. If I had become serious about it, I think The Encore would be a good choice. But considering the cost of reamer and dies, etc. decided it was a lark. It's possible/probable that the chamber can be cut with the 7.62x54R reamer, proper pilot, and the throat cut in a separate op. Real gunsmiths will know the answer to that. Instead, I already had a FN Mauser action so I had it barreled in 9.3x57. I still think it was a much better choice. Norma offers two loads. 286 gr @ 2070 fps MV and 232 gr @ 2330 fps MV. I have several boxes of the Nosler 250 gr Ballistic Tips and lots of the Speer 270 gr 9.3 bullets, and a bunch of Norma brass. BTW, I wouldn't intentionally load the 9.3x57 to 62,000 psi - not even close - not even in the FN Mauser action. Why? XXX "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis | |||
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Please don't say that is because the brass won't take it. As for a 9.3x53R on a Mosin; did one and it works great. And one this week in 9.3x62. Works great too. That one took a lot more work though. Of course a Mauser would have been far easier but easy is not the point. | |||
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If I wanted hot loads, and magnum velocity I wouldn't choose either the 9.3x54R or 9.3x57. Of course the 9.3x54R will work great in a Mosin. That was proven long time ago. And you are right about "easy is not the point". Otherwise we wouldn't be messing with wildcats. It's just a question of how difficult one wants to make it. Since I already had a FN commercial Mauser '98 action and didn't have a Mosin, that choice was easy, and thus the 9.3x57 followed. If I decide to sell my 9.3x57 on the FN action, PacNor barrel, custom trigger and three position safety, Mark X bottom metal, Black Teflon coated, which would you buy - it or the Mosin? And if my rifle was for sale, which it's not, I wouldn't sell it for less than $2,000. Of course that's not the point either. It's whichever gives a guy the most satisfaction. Hence the old saying about making something nice out of a sow's ear - the Mosin being the analogy with the sow's ear. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think I'll check to be sure my FN 9.3 is sighted in and take it hog hunting.  XXX "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis | |||
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