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I mentioned that I was going to test some pellets in an air gun.

Suddenly, various airguns started arriving here, with more pellets.

Got 6 rifles so far, in both 22 and 25 caliber, and dozens of different pellets.

What an eye opener!

Some pellets shoot so well, others are almost like a shotgun pattern!

I will post my results once I am done.




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GREAT!

I always look forward the the results from your usual thorough testing.
Are you going to test slugs as well as pellets?

I can not wait to see if one pellet comes out as most precise, most often, independent on the rifle.
I will say what I expected after you post your results



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I got every available ammo, from every make being sold here.

They include pellets and slugs.

Finished testing two rifles, both are URAGAN.

One in 25 and one in 22 caliber.

I like them, very powerful and very accurate with certain ammo.

Tried to se how many rounds I can fire with one tank.

The tank takes 300 bar.

Tried tis in the 22 caliber gun.

Filled it, marked a target at 25 yards, and started shooting.

200 rounds later, and at 100 bar left, all pellets went into a ragged hole about a half inch!!??

At 80 bars the pellets started dropped a bit.

I am amazed one can shoot 200 pellets accurately with one tank.

Next is a Daystate Delta Wolf.

This one is in 22 caliber, and has an electronic trigger, and a built in chronograph.

Just put a scope on it.

Will report later.


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Have you run any of these over the chronograph? I see all sorts of claims by the sellers about high muzzle velocities but I have always wondered?
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I did.

Then gave up.

My chronograph finds hard to measure pellets.

I am using an Oehler in the tunnel.


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Update.

A Daystate Delta Wolf, which is an electronic system and has a built in chronograph, turned out to be a total disaster.

I tried shooting it as is, fired a few shots then it refused to fire.

Telling me the pressure is too low.

Indicated pressure is showing almost 200 bar!!??

I got the handbook downloaded, and went through the setting up.

It has a touch screen, which turned out to be so fiddly, sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

Went through the operation several times, still nothing worked.

You are supposed to be able to set the caliber, pellet weight, required velocity etc.

Tried setting it back to factory settings, still the touch screen won't work.

I gave up.

Next was a BROCOCK rifle.

Must be made by Daystate, as they use the same action and magazine, but not electronic.

I installed the same scope I have been using on other rifles before - the URAGANs.

Shot a few pellets trying to get it on target.

No luck.

Could not even hit the target board, which is a meter wide!

I looked to find out what was going on.

The scope is pointing in one direction, and the barrel in another.

There is no way hell scope adjustments - or even shims, would work.

Dar too much.

Again, put that to the side and it is going back to the dealer.

I will let you know what is next.


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Here is my results for the URAGAN 25 caliber.

Very nicely made gun, and easy to use.

I like this model, I am going to keep both the 25 and the 22 calibers.

































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Well that Uragan certainly likes the JSBs!


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I have finished shooting the 22 caliber URAGAN too.

Similar results.

I thought I will try to see how many accurate shots I could fire with one tank.

I filled the tank - 300 bar.

This is the 22 caliber.

I put a one of those 1/2 inch target circle stickers on a piece of paper, and proceed to shoot at it.

I fired 204 shots by the time the pressure dropped to 100 bar.

All pellets were in one egged hole.

I was running out of pellets.

So I kept firing without pellets till the pressure was around 70-80 bar.

Then tried pellets.

They were about an inch low.

So for all it and purposes, this is a 200 pellet gun with one tank.

Very impressive indeed!

I have a 45 caliber air gun.

2 shots per tank!!


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Interesting on the Ohler. I have a Labradar and have been able to clock .177 pellets and round balls without too much difficulty. I have to use it in the Doppler mode or use it with the external microphone. The gun is spring powered and the velocities are all in the 400-500 fps range.
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I am shooting in a tunnel.

Where nothing works except the Oehler.

Labradar won’t work here.


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Very interesting test. JSB accurate as always.
For the slugs, you just need the slug barrel.

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They certainly are NOT slug guns.

Wonder it a "slug barrel" would change those results?



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They certainly are NOT slug guns.

Wonder it a "slug barrel" would change those results?


I am not sure what is really happening.

Others report getting very good results with slugs, in the same rifles wit the same barrels.


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Received a number of rifles from a kind dealer to test.

They are in 17, 22, 25, 30 and 35 caliber.

I have finished shooting the URAGAN 22 and am very impressed with it.

Fantastic tank capacity, the position of the bolt and accuracy.

Now shooting a TAIPAN VETERAN.

Very small tank, awkward position of the bolt, tank shows less pressure than my scuba tank.

Full repoprt will follow.


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Found a cheap Polish made chronograph that works for these pellet guns.

Very small box with a square hole one shoots through.

I fired a few shots and it does work.

I will run velocity shots at different pressures and see the results, for all rifles and pellets.

I am thinking at full tank, 200 bar, 100 bar, and 50 bar.


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The chronograph works very well.

And I am surprised how well the regulators in at least this rifle work.

Velocity variations never exceed 5 fps at any time. Sometimes all 3 shots were exactly the same velocity!

Following is the results of TAIPAN VENETERAN in 22.

Barrel length is 26.75 inches.

Velocity is taken 1 foot from the muzzle.

1. H&N Diabolo 11.45 1090 fps
2. H&N HP 12.71 1083 fps
3. Umarex Diabolo 13.00 1081 fps
4. JSB Exact Jumbo Diabolo RS 13.43 1064 fps
5. Gamo PBA armor penetrator 10.65 1146 fps

6. Gamo PBA Bullet Impact 14.39 1019 fps
7. Gamo match 13.88 1061 fps
8. JSB exact jumbo diabolo 15.89 999 fps
9. Unknown make in brown box?? 17.95 954 fps
10. JSB exact jumbo heavy diabolo 18.13 957 fps

11. Gamo magnum 15.58 1005 fps
12. Diana point 15.27 1021 fps
13. WEbley venom lazapell 15.00 1024 fps
14. Edgun 33.95 683 fps
15. Fenix FX550 16.98 981 fps

16. Webley venom II 15.89 1005 fps
17. H&N baracuda magnum II 25.31 778 fps
18. H&N baracuda magnum II 24.69 809 fps
19. Gamo rabbit magnum 15.43 812 fps
20. JSB exact jumbo monster II 25.39 800 fps

21. Gamo pro magnum 15.43 1027 fps
22. RWS super field 15.90 1009 fps
23. Predator polymag 16.00 984 fps
24. H&N hornet 16.20 992 fps
25. Nielsen slug 17.40 942 fps

26. Edgun 18.10 953 fps
27. H&N baracuda hunter 18.21 945 fps
28. H&N baracuda hunter extreme 18.52 949 fps
29. Nielsen slug 20.20 868 fps
30. H&N baracuda 21.14 889 fps

31. H&N baracuda power 21.14 847 fps
32. FX hybrid slug 22.00 821 fps
33. Nielsen slug 23.00 792 fps
34. Straton jumbo monster 25.39 806 fps
35. JSB exact jumbo monster 25.39 800 fps

36. Prometheus Hunting 8.79 1218 fps
37. Prometheus Hunting 10.27 1173 fps


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I should finish testing the TAIPAN VETERAN tomorrow.

Absolutely fascinating how some of the old DIANA pellets shoot! rotflmo


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Following are velocity results from the URAGAN 22 rifle



1. H&N Diabolo 11.45 1001 fps
2. H&N HP 12.71 993 fps
3. Umarex Diabolo 13.00 999 fps
4. JSB Exact Jumbo Diabolo RS 13.43 990 fps
5. Gamo PBA armor penetrator 10.65 1051 fps

6. Gamo PBA Bullet Impact 14.39 940 fps
7. Gamo match 13.88 976 fps
8. JSB exact jumbo diabolo 15.89 936 fps
9. Unknown make in brown box?? 17.95 954 fps
10. JSB exact jumbo heavy diabolo 18.13 897 fps

11. Gamo magnum 15.58 936 fps
12. Diana point 15.27 938 fps
13. WEbley venom lazapell 15.00 950 fps
14. Edgun 33.95 670 fps
15. Fenix FX550 16.98 917 fps

16. Webley venom II 15.89 934 fps
17. H&N baracuda magnum II 25.31 751 fps
18. H&N baracuda magnum II 24.69 769 fps
19. Gamo rabbit magnum 15.43 755 fps
20. JSB exact jumbo monster II 25.39 775 fps

21. Gamo pro magnum 15.43 949 fps
22. RWS super field 15.90 935 fps
23. Predator polymag 16.00 923 fps
24. H&N hornet 16.20 938 fps
25. Nielsen slug 17.40 877 fps

26. Edgun 18.10 871 fps
27. H&N baracuda hunter 18.21 879 fps
28. H&N baracuda hunter extreme 18.52 890 fps
29. Nielsen slug 20.20 816 fps
30. H&N baracuda 21.14 812 fps

31. H&N baracuda power 21.14 761 fps
32. FX hybrid slug 22.00 759 fps
33. Nielsen slug 23.00 775 fps
34. Straton jumbo monster 25.39 777 fps
35. JSB exact jumbo monster 25.39 762 fps

36. Prometheus Hunting 8.79 1100 fps
37. Prometheus Hunting 10.27 1073 fps


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Velocity in the URAGAN 25 caliber.

1. Nielsen 36.2 796 fps
2. Nielsen 33.5 827 fps
3. Nielsen 29.5 867 fps
4. Nielsen 26.8 895 fps
5. FX hybrid 26.0 887 fps

6. Daystate 36.05 830 fps
7. JSB exact king diabolo 25.39 936 fps
8. JSB exactking diabolo II 33.95 846 fps
9. Polymag predator 26.0 929 fps
10. JSB exact heavy 33.95 846 fps

11. JSB knockout 33.49 829 fps
12. JSB exact 25.4 938 fps
13. H&N hornet 22.07 986 fps
14. H&N slug HP 31.73 847 fps
15. H&N baracuda hunter extreme 28.24 905 fps

16. H&N baracuda 30.86 876 fps
17. H&N silverpoint 24.38 936 fps


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I’ve been following this test and have thought all along that the “Exact” pellets would be the most accurate. This rifle sure didn’t like the Exact “Jumbo Monster Diabolo” pellets.


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Air rifles seem to be very similar to firearms.

Each has its own preferences!

We might have some idea of what pellets shoot well in most rifles by the end of this test.


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Each has its own preferences!


Indeed! Jens has posted photos of his results with the very same “Exact Monster Diablo” pellets thru a Daystate Huntsman and it produced very good groups!


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I have started on CZ TAIPAN VETERAN in 17 caliber.

I found some old match pellets from H&N and couple from RWS.

It those that came packaged individually.

It will be interesting to see how these perform as compared to the new offerings.

I am short of 400 bar hose, and my dealer promised to get me some next week

What I normally do is make a separate charging hose for each rifle, with an attached on the other end that fits a scuba tank.


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Velocities in the CRICKET II TACTICAL 25 CALIBER

1. Daystate 36.0 866 fps
2. Predator polymag 26.0 989 fps
3. JSB exact king heavy I 33.95 884 fps
4. JSB exact diabolo 25.39 987 fps
5. JSB exact king heavy II 33.95 888 fps

6. JSB exact king 25.4 984 fps
7. FX hybrid slug 26.0 955 fps
8. Nielsen 26.8 947 fps
9. Nielsen 36.2 815 fps
10. Nielsen 33.5 856 fps

11. H&N baracuda hunter extreme 28.24 951 fps
12. H&N baracuda 30.86 917 fps
13. H&N silverpoint 24.38 996 fps
15. H&N slug 31.73 882 fps
16. H&N hornet 22.07 1029 fps

17. JSB knockout 33.49 853 fps


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This rifle appears to like the “Exact” pellets, too. And really doesn’t like the Prometheus pellets


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If Exact Monster "not bad", Exact Heavy better, I would like to try regular "Exact".

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I am trying every type of pellets I can find.

The Prometheus I got from England over 30 years ago!

They are a piece of plastic with a metal ball in front.

Supposed to be a penetrator.

The target you see above I fired 10 shots.

These are the only ones hit the target.

Got some Beeman pellets which I will try as well.


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Saeed:

Give me a address (PM) and I will send you JSB Exact Premium pellets. Or whatever. I have friend with friend at JSB, so we can put together any sample I think.

They make also "sample box" with different pellet and weights to test your rifle for the best one. Or we can send to you 4.48, 4.49, 4.50, 4.51 and 4.52 diameters of the same pellets for test...


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Give me a address (PM) and I will send you JSB Exact Premium pellets. Or whatever. I have friend with friend at JSB, so we can put together any sample I think.

They make also "sample box" with different pellet and weights to test your rifle for the best one. Or we can send to you 4.48, 4.49, 4.50, 4.51 and 4.52 diameters of the same pellets for test...


Jiri


Very kind of you JIRI.

But I would rather stick to using what is avaiable here.


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OK Saeed, no problem.

Good shooting!

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With a 25 grain pellet, I got 8,897.1 fps!

That translate to 4,395 foot pounds of energy!


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Damn, you’re ready for buffalo next year rotflmo tu2
 
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There is a rumor going around a, one the air gun shooters here - plenty of them.

That I am experimenting with Nitrous gas! clap


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I have been shooting all my life, never have I experienced the extremes in accuracy - or lack of - in firearms as I see in these guns.

Some pellets shoot over 6 inch groups at 25 yards??

I am going to extend my experiments.

I will pick the best shooting pellets and shoot them at 50 yards too.

Stay tuned.


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For anyone considering buying one of these PCP rifles, I really urge you to actually handle it before you buy.

Preferably shooting it.

They all work.

But, they range from a pleasure to use, to being utterly useless.

Some manufacturers make one model which is great, and another one so bad I would not buy it.

Once I am done with this test, I will post my opinion of each one.

Same goes for the charge fittings.

There are generally two types.

A male type that fits into a hole in the rifle, and a female type that fits over the valve.

What surprises me the male type, which look all the same, is about an inch long rod with a two O rings.

They all look the same.

But vary in size by a few thousands??!!

Why?


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There are some pretty impressive groups in this bunch. I thought the “Exact” pellets would do well based on earlier groups, lots of shooting!


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