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‘There were three shooters’
Two Oklahoma citizens killed an active shooter, and it's not as simple as it sounds

Story by Frances Stead Sellers and Mark Berman
JULY 13, 2018
OKLAHOMA CITY

Juan Carlos Nazario was sitting on a lakeside bench waiting to play soccer when he heard the staccato popping of gunshots outside Louie’s On the Lake, a popular waterfront grill and pub. He ran to his car to get his gun and moved toward the sounds.

Bryan Whittle was driving with his wife, heading off for a Memorial Day weekend getaway, when he saw a commotion outside Louie’s. He thought someone might be drowning, so instead of turning his truck onto the highway, he barreled into the parking lot to offer help. As he jumped out, what he learned stunned him: There was an active shooter just yards away, and wounded victims were holed up in the restaurant’s bathroom.


Whittle, too, grabbed his gun.

In a matter of seconds, the two armed citizens became self-appointed protectors, moving to take up positions around the shooter, drawing their weapons and shouting for him to drop his. Time stretched and warped. There was an exchange of gunfire. The gunman was hit several times and fell. As Nazario and Whittle converged over the man to restrain him, police arrived. Unsure who was who, officers handcuffed all of the men and put them on the ground as the shooter bled out into the grass and died.

“I was just doing what I was supposed to do,” recalled Nazario, a former police officer who said he now works as a security guard, always has his gun in the car and usually carries it with him.

“I just reacted,” said Whittle, who has served for nearly 20 years in the Oklahoma Air National Guard and works for the Federal Aviation Administration. “There’s a guy with a gun. I’ve got a gun. Stop the threat.”


Though they were loaded into police cars and taken downtown for questioning, they were soon hailed as heroes. They were also called champions of Second Amendment rights, gun-carrying examples of why Oklahoma’s Republican governor should not have vetoed a bill two weeks earlier that would have eliminated the need for a permit and training to carry a gun in public.



In a nation grappling with frequent mass shootings, Second Amendment activists have urged that more people carry guns so that they are prepared, like Nazario and Whittle, to respond to an armed threat. The morning after the May 24 Oklahoma City shooting, the National Rifle Association tweeted that it was “just another example of how the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

Local police also praised Nazario and Whittle, saying their swift response ended what a police spokesman called “a very dangerous situation.”

But police also noted that armed citizens can complicate volatile situations. The first of 57 uniformed police officers arrived just a minute after the initial 911 calls and found a complex scene with multiple armed people and no clear sense of what had happened or who was responsible.

“We don’t want people to be vigilantes,” Bo Mathews, a spokesman for the Oklahoma City Police Department, said in a recent interview. “That’s why we have police officers.”

Both men did what they believed was right, but that meant they had killed a man they did not know. Whittle wondered whether he was going to jail. Nazario went over ways that the confrontation could have ended differently — perhaps with his own death. They both marveled that amid the chaos, the result was as intended: The attacker was stopped before he could hurt anyone else.


Louie’s sits on Lake Hefner, a northwest Oklahoma City reservoir dotted with sailboats and surrounded by parks. The restaurant is next to a jetty and a lighthouse, its large parking lot a jumping-off point for runners and cyclists who use a 10-mile path that rings the water.

It was about 6:30 p.m. when the shooting began. A man stood outside the main entrance of the restaurant and fired bullets at the facade, hitting a woman and two adolescent girls as they walked toward the glass doors. People inside panicked, rushing two of the wounded to a bathroom.

Nazario, 35, said he heard five or six shots before he retrieved his .40-caliber Glock handgun from his car and headed for the restaurant.



He entered on the building’s lakeside corner, diagonally opposite the shattered main entrance, assuming the tactical stance he learned in firearms training. He crossed the room, assuring customers who had taken cover that he was there to help and asking where the gunman was.

Whittle, 39, learned about the shooting from Ron Benton, a Louie’s patron who had slipped out to the parking lot after the shooting began. Benton pointed out the gunman, who was standing on a grassy slope, still holding a Ruger pistol.



Whittle grabbed his .40-caliber Smith & Wesson handgun from his truck, ran toward the gunman, and took cover among parked vehicles to the west.

Nazario, emerging from the restaurant’s shattered entrance, also spotted the 6-foot-5 Benton pointing out the gunman and approached from the south.



Both men shouted at the gunman, with Whittle yelling: “Drop your weapon! I will shoot. Just drop it!”

When the man did not respond, Whittle noticed he was wearing protective earmuffs. Whittle took his left hand off his gun and began signaling his command. The man tilted his head, looked sideways and raised his weapon. Whittle was staring directly down the barrel.

“It looked like a cannon,” Whittle said.

He dove behind an SUV as the man fired.

Nazario then fired, and he believes he hit the gunman in the thigh. He saw the man stumble forward, then right himself and raise his gun again. Whittle, now crouched beside the SUV, took aim and fired. Nazario fired four rounds and Whittle seven. The gunman collapsed.

As Whittle lurched forward to kick away the shooter’s gun and check for other weapons, he heard a shout: “I got you covered. Clear him!”

It was the first Whittle and Nazario knew of each other, and both made the snap decision that they were friends, not foes.



Whittle dropped his gun. Nazario holstered his. Nazario grabbed the dying man’s right arm while Whittle took his left, just as the first police officer arrived, yelling at them both to get down.

“He doesn’t know how many active shooters there were,” Nazario said. “He could have gotten out of his car and shot me.”

As police gained control of the scene, Jabari Giles, father of one of the wounded girls, rushed to the scene. Seeing Whittle and Nazario handcuffed on the ground and a bloodied body that he took to be a victim next to them, he exploded.

“Which one of you did it?” Giles shouted. “You f—ing shot my kid, didn’t you!”

Giles did not have a gun, but police turned theirs on him and briefly handcuffed him before helping him locate his child.


One officer broke the news of the gunman’s death to Nazario.

“I was kind of shaken up,” Nazario recalled. “I thought he had made it.”

Confusion was still rampant inside the restaurant. A waitress didn’t know which way to run amid the shattering glass, upturned tables, volleys of gunfire. “We were told there were three shooters,” she said.

“In all reality, there were three shooters,” Benton said.

From the parking lot, he and others tried to help police tell the three apart.

“Those are good guys,” they called, pointing to Whittle and Nazario, who were now officially suspects in a homicide investigation.



The NRA has brandished the “good guy with a gun” argument after several recent mass shootings. Wayne LaPierre, the group’s chief executive, invoked the phrase after the 2012 massacre of 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school. He repeated it after the rampage in which 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Fla., in February, even though an armed school resource officer was present and did not enter the school or engage the gunman during that attack.

The FBI examined 160 shootings between 2000 and 2013 and found that most of the violence ended when the assailant stopped shooting, committed suicide or fled. Unarmed citizens successfully restrained shooters in 21 of those incidents, according to the FBI. Two attacks stopped when off-duty officers shot and killed the attackers. Five ended in much the way the attack at Louie’s did — when armed civilians, mostly security guards, exchanged fire with the shooters.


In two prominent recent examples, civilians have, as in Oklahoma City, successfully intervened in mass shootings. In November, Stephen Willeford, a former NRA instructor, shot a gunman who killed more than two dozen people inside a Sutherland Springs, Tex., church, hitting the attacker twice. The shooter fled and later shot himself in the head while under chase. And in June, a pastor and volunteer firefighter who had been through active-shooter training killed a carjacker who opened fire inside a Walmart store in Tumwater, Wash.

But interventions by “Good Samaritans” also have ended in tragedy.

In 2014, husband-and-wife attackers killed two Las Vegas police officers before going into a nearby Walmart and firing a shot in the air. Joseph Wilcox, 31, a civilian with a handgun and a concealed-carry permit, pulled his weapon to confront the male shooter, but the man’s wife shot Wilcox in the chest, killing him.

When Prince George’s County police detective Jacai Colson responded to a 2016 attack on a police station in his street clothes, another officer mistook him for a threat and shot him.

“The shot that struck and killed Detective Colson was deliberately aimed at him by another police officer,” the police chief said.


Ronal Serpas, former police chief in New Orleans and Nashville who lived near Tumwater when he was chief of the Washington State Patrol, said such situations raise life-or-death concerns for police officers.

“How is the officer going to discern who is the Good Samaritan and who is not?” Serpas said. “They don’t have placards on the front of their shirts that say ‘I’m the good guy’ or ‘I’m the bad guy.’ ”

Oklahoma City Police Chief Bill Citty expressed relief at the quick resolution at Louie’s. “I admire an individual willing to defend other people,” he said.

But he also has seen how quickly things can go wrong. In August 2013, Oklahoma City police officers responding to the sound of gunshots opened fire on a man shooting at a car before realizing he was the owner of a liquor store who had been robbed.

At Louie’s in May, the situation could have been far worse, police say. It is unclear why the shooter targeted the restaurant or what he wanted to accomplish, but he was out in the open in a busy area with a loaded gun — and was firing at Whittle when Whittle and Nazario shot him.

A sign banning open carry marks the entrance to Louies, where a shooter was confronted and killed by two civilians. (Nick Oxford/For The Washington Post)
‘It is what it is’
Three patched bullet holes on an outside wall at Louie’s show where the gunman — later identified as Alexander Tilghman, 28 — had fired on customers. The restaurant’s glass entryway has been repaired. The three people who were shot as they walked in are expected to make full recoveries, though the two girls have undergone several surgeries.

Customers, employees and community members have thanked Nazario and Whittle, who met at the scene on a recent afternoon for the first time since the shooting. They had kept largely to themselves — discussing the case only in broad terms — because there was a possibility they could be charged.

Nazario and Whittle had no idea who Tilghman was when they killed him. Tilghman did not kill anyone, and any sentence he might have faced had he been apprehended certainly would have been less than death.


Though Tilghman did not have extensive interactions with police, his behavior had been raising concerns in Oklahoma City. Local news reports before the shooting indicated that Tilghman had posted fliers around the city alluding to “demons in cloned transsexual bodies,” and a local Fox television investigative reporter alerted authorities to Tilghman’s “bizarre” online postings.

In videos, Tilghman complained that he was “under hardcore demonic attack,” noting in one recording: “I’m not doing well . . . doing really, really bad right now.”

Gerald Konkler, general counsel of the Oklahoma Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, confirmed that Tilghman was licensed to carry a weapon and had been through training that would have included a psychological evaluation. Tilghman’s relatives could not be reached for comment.

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Police do not know what would have happened had they arrived before Tilghman was shot. Would he have fired on officers? Was he attempting “suicide by cop”? Would he have given up and been taken into custody? Could there have been far worse carnage?

“We don’t know what he was going to do,” said Mathews, the police spokesman.

Prosecutors took three weeks to conclude that Whittle and Nazario would not face charges; authorities determined that the men had been protecting themselves or others when they opened fire on Tilghman.

“The two civilians who engaged, and ultimately neutralized the threat . . . were justified and compliant with the law when they employed deadly force,” Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater wrote in a press release on June 18. He did not respond to requests for further comment.


Neither Nazario nor Whittle knows who fired the fatal round or rounds. The medical examiner listed the manner of the gunman’s death as “homicide” as the result of “multiple gunshot wounds.”

“It is what it is,” Whittle said. “You’d better be damn sure that what you are doing is right, because you’ll pay the consequences if you are wrong.”

An Oklahoman who grew up among family members who taught him how to handle guns, Whittle vigorously defends the right to bear arms. He notes that not everyone takes action in perilous moments, even in a place where many people carry weapons.

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“Think about all the people that probably had a gun and didn’t go to the situation,” Whittle said, looking out over a full parking lot at Louie’s. “I was comfortable enough to just react.”

Nazario, who also grew up with guns, emphasizes the importance of the numerous firearms training courses he has taken. “Not everybody knows what they are doing,” he said.

In the weeks since the shooting, he has replayed in his head different endings to the incident. What if instead of retreating to the grassy bank, the gunman had followed his initial shots through the broken glass door into the restaurant? And what if Whittle had followed the gunman inside?

“Bryan would have entered the front,” Nazario said. “I would have entered the back.”

There they would have been, two good guys with guns, face to face.

“He could have thought I was the shooter,” Nazario said. Or vice versa. And if Nazario had asked — and Whittle refused — to drop his weapon, Nazario said, “I would have had to take action.”


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Best to let the professional - ie the police do the job.

Trying to play cop with a concealed weapon would be dangerous.

I wish someone offered good training on what civilians with concealed weapons should do. The Florida classes for concealed weapons are a joke.

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Just another anti gun hit piece.

The case of Nazario and Whittle is a very good example of two good guys acting properly.

One can what if it all day.

Beretta682E what type of training do you want or looking for.

Third party defense is always a sticky situation especially if you don't know any of the parties involved.

Each and every self-defense situation is totally different from another.

It is a good idea to play the what if game before something happens.

Like when I pull in the parking some one runs up and tries to car jack me what am I going to do.

The what if's in the article is just anti gun propaganda.

So it is very hard to say if A happens then do B or if C happens do D.

I can tell what not to do when the uniforms arrive DON'T POINT YOUR GUN AT THEM, DON'T ARGUE WITH THEM, DON'T RESIST THEM.
 
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There is a disaster in the making.

If it like most things I have seen many will be standing around shooting the breeze and blocking traffic flow LONG after they are needed if they were needed at all.

Dropping the editorializing and getting back to a real live scenario
I would think the best course of action for those stopping the shooting incident is to place the gun out of reach and sit down until the responding officers sort things out. Remember you know a lot more about what already went down and was neutralized than they do.

Don't forget the "hopped up on Adrenalin" factor for you and the responding officers!
Just a keyboard based SWAG of course.



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Gato

Best to let the professional - ie the police do the job.

Trying to play cop with a concealed weapon would be dangerous.

I wish someone offered good training on what civilians with concealed weapons should do. The Florida classes for concealed weapons are a joke.

Mike


That sounds like a damn fine ideal unless you're in the middle of the dying zone. I'd choose to resist if I only had a screwdriver.


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Gato

Best to let the professional - ie the police do the job.

Trying to play cop with a concealed weapon would be dangerous.

I wish someone offered good training on what civilians with concealed weapons should do. The Florida classes for concealed weapons are a joke.

Mike


That sounds like a damn fine ideal unless you're in the middle of the dying zone. I'd choose to resist if I only had a screwdriver.



Exactly!

I hate to be a victim!


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I'd choose to resist if I only had a screwdriver


Of course, but as was pointed out, this was a "third party shooting" and that raises all the issues raised in the article.

"Third party defense is always a sticky situation especially if you don't know any of the parties involved."

I do not see it as "anti gun". I see it as thought provoking. They had the advantage of someone (correctly) identifying the shooter. Suppose the person had incorrectly identified the "shooter"?
In other words, it is not "self defense"!
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Gato

Best to let the professional - ie the police do the job.

Trying to play cop with a concealed weapon would be dangerous.

I wish someone offered good training on what civilians with concealed weapons should do. The Florida classes for concealed weapons are a joke.

Mike


That sounds like a damn fine ideal unless you're in the middle of the dying zone. I'd choose to resist if I only had a screwdriver.



Exactly!

I hate to be a victim!


Being a victim sucks. One should do everything to defend ones self and concealed weapons are a great instrument of defense.

But I don’t think concealed weapons should give unqualified and untrained people a good Samaritan badge to jump into hairy situations.

I see swimming as a good analogy. Lots of people drown trying to rescue other people cause they don’t know their limits and the danger of water (especially rip tides and running water)

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Gato

Best to let the professional - ie the police do the job.

Trying to play cop with a concealed weapon would be dangerous.

I wish someone offered good training on what civilians with concealed weapons should do. The Florida classes for concealed weapons are a joke.

Mike


That sounds like a damn fine ideal unless you're in the middle of the dying zone. I'd choose to resist if I only had a screwdriver.



Gato


With me it may be the spyderco native 5 that I always carry and which you guided me to. I may not have my Glock 43/42 always on me but the spyderco is.

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Interesting analogy Mike, but, in the OP, the real danger, as I see it, is that the "good Samaritan" kills an innocent person, not just himself.
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Interesting analogy Mike, but, in the OP, the real danger, as I see it, is that the "good Samaritan" kills an innocent person, not just himself.
Peter.


When the cavalry comes (police/swat) it’s going to be a tough spot to be a Good Samaritan with a gun.

I personally think any job you have to carry a gun as part of a job requirement is a crappy job (skilled but dangerous and not a lot of $$) - police, security guard, dg ph. They are necessary jobs and someone got to do them. I as a tax payer outsource it and I really don’t want to do it in most circumstances.

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When the cavalry comes (police/swat) it’s going to be a tough spot to be a Good Samaritan with a gun.

Agreed! The other downside!
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Also,before the law arrives make damn sure you don't still have it in your hand.Drop the mag.,set it on the ground + then keep your hands in clear sight.You will be in a stressful situation for all concerned.


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"Nazario and Whittle had no idea who Tilghman was when they killed him. Tilghman did not kill anyone, and any sentence he might have faced had he been apprehended certainly would have been less than death. "

This is the stupidest fucking statement in the whole article.
 
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Having been in my share of tight spots (aka 'busy minute' situations), I can say the following....

1) Never underestimate the danger of the 'fog of battle'.

2) Monday morning quarterbacks that weren't there always have a better way of how it should have been handled.

3) You probably don't know what you are talking about until you've had real bullets coming at you. That is as real as it gets.
 
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3) You probably don't know what you are talking about until you've had real bullets coming at you. That is as real as it gets.


A eye opening moment for sure.
 
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"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"
+1 On Mr. Normans comments.
 
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