A decade ago, at least Winchester, Remington, and Federal manufactured a superb defense ammunition. Without getting into nuances of each version, the basic information is this.

12 gauge, 2.75-inch, 4-dram equivalent, #1 buckshot, 20 pellets .

I have searched with three Internet search engines, and Ammoseek. But I cannot identify any manufacturer of this load. And no search included powder charge level - that is, I do not care what is its power level. I care about 20 #1 buckshot pellets.

If you know of a source of 12 gauge 2.75-inch shot shells having a payload of 20 #1 buckshot pellets, please let me know.

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12 gauge, 2.75-inch, 4-dram equivalent, #1 buckshot

Are you sure it had 20 pellets #1? All I find in 2 3/4 #1 has 12 or 16 pellets. It is a helluva step up in wt from 12 to 20. Not doubting what you're saying, just asking.

However, Winchester is still making a 3 inch 24 pellet #1 buck load.

I think you are not remembering things quite right.

#1 buck is about 40 grains a pellet.

For 20, you are talking about 800 grains or about 1 7/8 oz (that is 820 gr) of shot excluding the fact that buck doesn't pack as well as birdshot.

That would be a 3" shell profile.

The old short mags were 1 5/8 oz of birdshot and were in the 4 dram area. No one sells those anymore, and you can't find any current load manual that does that.

A roll turnover would give you an extra 3/8" in the shell. A shorter driving wad maybe another 3/8" extra room. It might, just, possibly be achievable?

I still have several boxes of '80s vintage Winchester 2 3/4' Magnums with 20 #1s from my dog driving days. The made them in both plated and unplated and they were a heck of a deer load. Alas, you can only get the 16 pellet standard load these days.

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Originally posted by SCGunNut:
I still have several boxes of '80s vintage Winchester 2 3/4' Magnums with 20 #1s from my dog driving days. The made them in both plated and unplated and they were a heck of a deer load. Alas, you can only get the 16 pellet standard load these days.

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