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Posts: 4455 | Location: Eltham , New Zealand | Registered: 13 May 2002Reply With Quote
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And so it begins.

Been quite a few widely publicized raids in Aus, especially gun dealers.

When later all charges are dropped after months or years and nothing proved not a whisper in the press..


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Stunning. Canada is next. These fuckin assholes surrounding us.....all liberals living in big cities.....telling the rest of our countries how to think and act have to be stopped. You trump haters should take a lesson.
 
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And so it begins.

Been quite a few widely publicized raids in Aus, especially gun dealers.

When later all charges are dropped after months or years and nothing proved not a whisper in the press..


What's your plan to stop it?
 
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thats the $64000 question , isnt it . Individually you cant afford the class of lawyer needed to represent you in court. You dont have anyone to call when you are being invaded by armed thugs, and its not legal apparently to use firearms for personal protection here.

Law abiding gun owners here are basically stripped of their rights as citizens because they have a gun licence. And we have a hostile media who refuse to publish or report anything to do with firearms unless it suits their leftist , government driven agenda.
So whats the plan? - There is no plan


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Wait it out....
I was In hamilton yesterday and big signs on main street saying Ban rodeo....
Been watching that unfold for a while online. Watching all the middle age women with horses in their profiles on FB support a rodeo ban because its cruel... not realising those people are coming for them and their horses next. At some point this farcical, Ban everything we dont like will start to impact on enough people who will realise what personnel freedom actually is... The right for different people to do different things even if you dont have an interest in it.
 
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In Australia we formed the Shooters Party, which became the Shooters and Fishers Party and is now the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party.

This has helped us hugely in NSW. With members of parliament in NSW representing more than 40% of the area of The state, just a few seats though.

But we still have draconian firearm laws.


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Watching all the middle age women with horses in their profiles on FB support a rodeo ban because its cruel.



All the overweight FAT ARSED middle aged women that are cruel by just sitting on a horse.



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What's your plan to stop it?


No one has a plan to stop it, not even the USA. They have better laws but as history shows, once a law is passed, very little evidence of them resisting.

Take the gun control acts of the 1930's mandating supressor, short barrelled rifles and machine gun tax stamps. You dont see any Americans publicly resisting these.

Every time a gunlaw thread had appeared on these forums , with Americans telling us how we should defy unjust laws , I have asked for examples of their own personal defiance to just one such law in their own country....and so far not a single taker, not in 21 years Wink A lot of talk of NRA donations, letters to senators and turning up for rallies but no one with the balls to post a video of actually shortening a rifle below legal length to really resist uncle sam.

The issue is well fed suburbanites talk freedom, but really want comfort. Guns are seen as a hobby and you dont risk losing a comfortable life defending a hpbby.
 
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What's your plan to stop it?


No one has a plan to stop it, not even the USA. They have better laws but as history shows, once a law is passed, very little evidence of them resisting.

Take the gun control acts of the 1930's mandating supressor, short barrelled rifles and machine gun tax stamps. You dont see any Americans publicly resisting these.

Every time a gunlaw thread had appeared on these forums , with Americans telling us how we should defy unjust laws , I have asked for examples of their own personal defiance to just one such law in their own country....and so far not a single taker, not in 21 years Wink A lot of talk of NRA donations, letters to senators and turning up for rallies but no one with the balls to post a video of actually shortening a rifle below legal length to really resist uncle sam.

The issue is well fed suburbanites talk freedom, but really want comfort. Guns are seen as a hobby and you dont risk losing a comfortable life defending a hpbby.


Since you quoted me I'll answer: they're not taking our .22s and you can have a handgun in almost every state last I checked. Apples to oranges.

And I didn't pose my question as an insult to you but evidently you're just another America basher.
 
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No one has a plan to stop it, not even the USA. They have better laws but as history shows, once a law is passed, very little evidence of them resisting


How many constitutional carry states do we have (16) up from one.

How many shall issue states have I think 46.

We are winning slowly but a few set backs.
 
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Wait it out....


I am sure it well work out well for you like did for this fellow. Pictures and full story at the source.

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/...tols-ammunition.html

A secret arsenal of guns and ammunition hidden in the wake of the Dunblane massacre have been found stashed behind a false wall by a builder renovating a house.

Builder Simon Berni, 41, was shocked to discover a secret haul of more than 30 shotguns and pistols as well as hundreds of rounds of ammunition when he began working on a south Wales property.

He said: 'It was an incredible arsenal - full, absolutely choc-a-bloc with eight shelves of fire arms and ammunition.'
 
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We, like much of the western world, are going through a puritanical stage right now. These things run in cycles until enough people start to get sick of it and push back- move to the opposite spectrum belief wise.
I don't believe we will ever get semi autos back like we had. But do think some sensibility can be restored allowing competition shooters to own and use them and I think there will be some easing up on restrictions around pest control.
 
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THis from a poster on FB today. Its sums it up perfectly, what was questionable with this raid.

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"Reasonable suspicion"? That's stretching it. The prohibited firearm was not necessarily in his possession. It could have been sold or modified, completely legally. All it would take is for a phonecall to find out what had happened to the rifle, and to ask him to provide proof. But the Police jumped straight to "RAID".As reprehensible as his views may be, Police vetted him as fit and proper once. And they left him with his firearms and licence again. They still seem to consider him fit and proper. Consider thatIts interesting that the flagship raid for the new legislation was for a firearm that Stuart Nash assured us wasnt affected. He said the prohibited firearms were those 'intended to kill humans, not those for deer or pigs or rabbits etc'. Yet this was a raid to find a lever action replica .22, the classic 'bunny rifle'. Makes you think he was chosen as they felt he'd be an unsympathetic victim.Which is chilling.
 
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No one has a plan to stop it, not even the USA. They have better laws but as history shows, once a law is passed, very little evidence of them resisting


How many constitutional carry states do we have (16) up from one.

How many shall issue states have I think 46.

We are winning slowly but a few set backs.


You have 20,000 pieces of gun legislation passed in the last 100 years across your 3000 ounties, and another 200 passed just since the latest big shootings.

That is a huge backwards step from the freedoms given to you originally.

My argument is not whether the US has stronger laws or better constitution btw. They obviously do.

Its how well Americans resist by force those laws they cannot change by other means, and the answer is not at all.

When the red line is drawn, you stay behind it like the rest of us do.
 
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Since you quoted me I'll answer: they're not taking our .22s and you can have a handgun in almost every state last I checked. Apples to oranges.



Apples to apples. Gun controls are everywhere, just at different rates. You guys have lost a lot of freedoms- every state and county is a patchwork of different controls brought in at different times in the 20th century.

Again, let me know your plan for getting silencers, machine guns and short barreled rifles back into free unregistered usage. We will apply it here once you have proven it works personally.
 
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Actually, there is proposed legislation to allow suppressors.
 
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Public? Why would anything be Public? If you could only imagine what might be going on...
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What's your plan to stop it?


No one has a plan to stop it, not even the USA. They have better laws but as history shows, once a law is passed, very little evidence of them resisting.

Take the gun control acts of the 1930's mandating supressor, short barrelled rifles and machine gun tax stamps. You dont see any Americans publicly resisting these.

Every time a gunlaw thread had appeared on these forums , with Americans telling us how we should defy unjust laws , I have asked for examples of their own personal defiance to just one such law in their own country....and so far not a single taker, not in 21 years Wink A lot of talk of NRA donations, letters to senators and turning up for rallies but no one with the balls to post a video of actually shortening a rifle below legal length to really resist uncle sam.

The issue is well fed suburbanites talk freedom, but really want comfort. Guns are seen as a hobby and you dont risk losing a comfortable life defending a hpbby.


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Actually, there is proposed legislation to allow suppressors.


Proving my point. Americans 'seek legislation' to return their once constituational rights to them, and in only limited areas.

No big US gun resistances, no capturing city hall, no making use of all these state and private militia groups to reverse all the corrupt federal, state and country laws and statutes en masse.

You guys creep about pushing papers like the rest of us, the only difference is your paperwork is in a little better shape.
 
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Originally posted by larryshores:
Actually, there is proposed legislation to allow suppressors.


Proving my point. Americans 'seek legislation' to return their once constituational rights to them, and in only limited areas.

No big US gun resistances, no capturing city hall, no making use of all these state and private militia groups to reverse all the corrupt federal, state and country laws and statutes en masse.

You guys creep about pushing papers like the rest of us, the only difference is your paperwork is in a little better shape.


I think that active, armed resistance wpuld inflame most of the public and is not necessary given the active political resistance of the NRA, state rifle and pistol organizations, and other groups engaged in the work of preserving or restoring firearms ownership rights. The Heller Decision was a major victory and re-affirmation of the rights of ALL US citizens to keep and bear arms.

California may be the most egregious state in repression of these rights and the NRA and other organizations have had some success pushing back on assaults on gun rights in the state. However, the socialist agenda (what I call urban imperiaism) is nowhere stronger than in California and they are constantly seeking to limit/eliminate citizens' right to keep and use firearms.
 
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I think that active, armed resistance wpuld inflame most of the public and is not necessary given the active political resistance of the NRA, state rifle and pistol organizations, and other groups engaged in the work of preserving or restoring firearms ownership rights.


In other words no one has the balls, which is what I was saying. Despite talk of freedoms guns are seen largely as a hobby, and no one is risking life or limb over hobbies. Not us, not the UK, not even the USA.

I have no problem respecting and acknowledgeing the US's better position politically. My gripe is when we get the chest beaters here telling us to resist physically.


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The Heller Decision was a major victory and re-affirmation of the rights of ALL US citizens to keep and bear arms.
California may be the most egregious state in repression of these rights and the NRA and other organizations have had some success pushing back on assaults on gun rights in the state. However, the socialist agenda (what I call urban imperiaism) is nowhere stronger than in California and they are constantly seeking to limit/eliminate citizens' right to keep and use firearms.


Good luck. You got 20,000 pieces of legislation across all your states and 3000 counties to fix. The gun control acts of the 1930's took only 5 years to chop those freedoms and you still don't have them back 80 years later.
 
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Public? Why would anything be Public? If you could only imagine what might be going on...


Gunslinger good point and the same thing could be applied to Australia. Despite the outlawing of several whole types of guns in 1996, some of the estimates are only 10% were ever handed in, so thats a 90% resistance.

Still a big loss though. The whole idea of rights in the first place is that they can be enjoyed 'publicly'.
 
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