cant believe that.

Police meet with gang leaders to try and convince them to surrender guns during amnesty
Collette Devlin16:54, Nov 07 2019

Illegal guns are remaining in the hands of organised crime as gang leaders refuse to give up their weapons.

Police have met with more than 50 gang leaders in an effort to get them to comply with firearm law changes before an amnesty ends.

But it's proving to be fruitless, as the patched members remain "very reluctant", Police Commissioner Mike Bush told the Justice Select Committee on Thursday.

"We have identified over 100 influential gang leaders and spoken to about half of them about how they are managing this and what their approach and attitude toward that [amnesty] is."

After the committee meeting, Bush said communication lines with senior patched gang members had revealed they had a different approach to law abiding members of the public, in relation to the return of guns.

"They were very reluctant to be part of this."

He did not think many patched gang members had handed in their guns.

Police already had a strategy for dealing with gangs and that is what police were using to get to the unlawful firearms, he said.

"They are in the hands of people involved in organised crime."

During organised crime interventions, police located a lot of unlawful firearms, he said.

"If people are in possession of an unlawful firearm this very minute and we know about it, we will be taking the approach we have always taken … we have information, we will be going there."

Deputy Commissioner Mike Clement told the committee that out of the 37 adult gangs across the country, 115 key people had been identified and police had met with 53 to talk.

Police did not expect patched gang members to front up to collections but were hopeful they would listen and do the right thing, Clement said.

But at the end of the day, police could not compel them to give up their unlawful guns and could only create an environment to hand over firearms under amnesty, he said.

After the meeting, National's Justice spokesperson and former police officer Mark Mitchell said asking gangs nicely to give up illegal weapons didn't work.

"The gun buyback scheme ends next month. Police have acknowledged that the gangs haven't been handing in their firearms. Police Minister Stuart Nash has sent out a reminder. He needs to do more than that to get the gangs listening."

FPOs gave frontline police staff the ability to act in real time to search and recover illegal firearms in the possession of gang members, he said.

"We've done all the work and written the Bill. Police Minister Stuart Nash should support it."

It comes after Stuff revealed a flashy new breed of suited gangster had drawn the ire of Police Minister Stuart Nash, who plans to increase police powers to target the criminal kingpins.

He was planning a review of the Crimes Act and proceeds of crime laws, that will go after gang hierarchy and bring a paper on Firearm Prohibition Orders (FPOs) to Cabinet, which aims to keep guns out of the hands of gangs.

During the committee, National's police spokesman Brett Hudson asked Bush about the estimate (60,000 - 173,000) of how many now prohibited firearms were in the country and if he had confidence it was at the 60,000 or lower level.

It follows a report by Stuff that police could struggle to collect even the lowest estimate of banned guns and could fall short before the December 20 deadline. This led Police Minister Stuart Nash to question if there could be fewer guns in the country than experts calculated.

"There is no science or ability to be accurate on the numbers ... we have no way of knowing," Bush said.

Official figures show that between July 13 and October 29 about 32,659 firearms were collected and more than $62 million had been paid out so far.

Police had talked to nearly 20,000 gun owners at more than 330 collection events around the country, and 200 more will be held in the next 50 days, as the end of the six month amnesty and buy-back draws to an end.

There would be no extensions.

"This will be a success because after six months, there would have been ample opportunity for good, honest law-abading people to surrender firearms. I can guarantee that after that six months, we will be entitled to and will be out there looking for the people who didn't comply," Bush said.

Clement told the committee 67 per cent of the firearms bought in the buyback were in the semi-automatic category.

wow thinking the criminals will abide lol ... soon to canada. good luck guys you will need there.

The police and Govt are starting to panic. They dont even have all the guns they know about yet (E Cat registered.) Let alone the ones that are not registered under A cat.
Much of the guns they do have are old tube mag .22's or pretty standard hunting rifles that no one wants.
They are now trying to tell us there were less guns in the community than they thought.
Meanwhile the submission process has gone well for what its worth. The firearms community has stayed on point and the level of submission has been impressive with even ex police telling the pollies that its the current senior police who are at fault. While the Anti gun lobby mouthpiece managed to get herself discredited within 5 minutes by telling the ( Largely over 50 year old politicians) That cognitive decline starts at 50 and they should be looking at banning guns from over 50's. Too broad laughter from the room.

Whats coming out is that the reason Tarrant got his guns was a systemic failure on behalf of police who have let our firearms vetting system decay and diverted funding away from licensing into areas they deemed more important.
The strong feeling is that this will come out in the Royal commission of enquiry, which is why the Govt is trying to rush this through before that is made public.

wait a second I dropped my surprised face under the table.
nope that's my shocked face,, I must have left the surprise face in the closet this morning.

Well who would have thought. When will the powers that be, dumb as they maybe, understand what the words lawless and criminal mean. Criminals are criminals because they do not recognise or abide by the law so making more laws only affects the law abiding not the lawless. Now is that concept not simple to understand.

Guys,

At face value this article seems to be portraying the ridiculous. I know I'm an American with little knowledge of Australia but asking gangsters to pretty please give up their guns sounds as loonie as some of the crazy shit going on here in the States.

Mark

especially in New zealand Mark lol ...

went with a mate last month to hand in his 4 shot semi 3006, guy there said na haven't had any patched gang members in yet, only law abiding citizens

If you hand in your guns you will soon be in a totalitarian society usually under the guise of Socialism. Just saying, from the USA. Be Well, Packy.

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"They were very reluctant to be part of this.

what's a gang without guns ?

Grizz

It is hard to think of but there are politicians and heads of police departments.

That actual believe this SHIT.

medved,

Obviously I know little about NZ or Aus

Mark

there is a large sector of the community who think this is shit too , but our thoughts are largely being ignored and ridden rough-shod over.

yup - have to have the bad guys promise to be good
then everything will be ok

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
medved,

Obviously I know little about NZ or Aus

Mark

no worries: one they already took the gun away. second it is on his way, third: Canada we re the next one ...

What they expected criminals to obey the law because they asked them nicely too ???

What mental midget thought that this would succeed ???

If they could have got the bad guys to surrender their guns, in the first place, none of this would have been necessary !!!!

It looks like Ardern has just ignored 23 years of history - Australia's 1996 buyback/gunlaws - in order to repeat the same mistake.

Crime reduction is just an excuse.

It has always been about disarming the population.

So the government can gain more control.

In the last 3-4 years the NZ Police has become more militarised - black uniforms , SWAT teams , military type firearms - and this whole situation is being driven by pressure from Australia's Police , and an infiltration of British Police into the upper echelons of our Police Force.

Firearms "control" has become the over-riding thing for NZ Police since they were given the reason in Christchurch, and now the opportunity to become bullies with no comeback .

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an infiltration of British Police into the upper echelons of our Police Force.

Funny, we have the same happening here. British cops want to escape the British cesspool and bring their shit with them, here.

Grizz

The stupidity of politicians never stops to amaze me.

Commit a crime, get punished.

Severely.

Commit a violent crime.

And get punished VERY SEVERELY!

Not have judges in court who seem to give prizes to criminals.

This is hilariously stupid. I will use it as an example here in the states

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
It is hard to think of but there are politicians and heads of police departments.

That actual believe this SHIT.

Not sure that they actually believe the rubbish they spout. More along the lines of what they are paid to say.

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Originally posted by Grizzly Adams1:

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an infiltration of British Police into the upper echelons of our Police Force.

Funny, we have the same happening here. British cops want to escape the British cesspool and bring their shit with them, here.

Grizz

we have them here too ...

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Originally posted by muzza:
In the last 3-4 years the NZ Police has become more militarised - black uniforms , SWAT teams , military type firearms - and this whole situation is being driven by pressure from Australia's Police , and an infiltration of British Police into the upper echelons of our Police Force.

Well noted Muzza but its the whole 1st world militarising their police, its not being led by little old Australia. It also includes increased police powers for arrest, avoiding due process, and active shooter procedures, all in the name of the 'invisable terrorist threat'.

As those in the police or military know, the first level of force is actually just your presence, which includes your appearance. After that you employ verbal, physical, lethal measures etc in the 'force continuum'. Police dressed up like 2nd world jackbooted doorkicker operators is sending a deliberate message to the public, 'we are on operations'.

Having worked in a few developing countries generally the rule is the more the police looked like the army, the more shit the country was.